The leaks (Why now? Who leaked them? Are they on CD? Comparisons to old demos)

[speed_stone]

i remember one month before AFD was released all the songs were leaked onto the internet, and it was all WAV files and my connection was 28.800 bps so i had to wait for it to hit the stores...

[jameslofton29]

i remember one month before AFD was released all the songs were leaked onto the internet, and it was all WAV files and my connection was 28.800 bps so i had to wait for it to hit the stores...

Thats the most insane post I've seen yet. Thats saying alot.

[speed_stone]

good, ol' times.

[jimb0]

Thank god for technology

[SonofAGun]

i remember one month before AFD was released all the songs were leaked onto the internet, and it was all WAV files and my connection was 28.800 bps so i had to wait for it to hit the stores...

Maybe in some parallel universe. But not on our planet.

[Millions]

 Hi everyone, sorry if this rumour has been mentioned already - but I was surprised not to find it anywhere else on the board. (If so, feel free to delete)......


What strikes me is that everyone here seems to be interpreting the leaked tracks and the upcoming concerts in totally the wrong way. I am a massive fan, and I know I'll probably get slagged off for saying this, but during the last tour and concerts, even a lot of the old hardcore fans were......bored. The same old songs. Again. We were hungry for new stuff, not some half-hearted, by numbers tread through the same old routine.

So now that these new dates have been announced, this negative so-what attitude of a lot of the fans is a big problem - especially on top of no-shows, etc.

So it seems that the 'leaking' of the new stuff is all about promoting the live-dates during the summer, and should not be taken as a sign that Chinese Democracy will be released any time soon.

Depressing, but perhaps true....What do you think?

[pilferk]

I think the person is very wrong.

Everything we've seen, so far, is in preparation for the release of CD.  Every piece of credible info points in that direction.  Barring some unforsee catastrophie, we will see CD this year...and probably sooner rather than later  I think you can count on it.

I understand, completely, not wanting to get your hopes up.  But, for one, the leaks were not intentional.  Management did not leak the material.  That is 100% for sure.  The leaks were not promotion for anything.  They were, it appears, an expected (but not necessarily wanted) side effect of "something else" (and what that "something else" is, I have no idea).

[MR W,AXL ROSE]

if anymore leak,i aint gonna download them.

Cmon, Mr. Rose. You said that after the first song leaked, and when the next one happened, you sent me a PM for the new songs. Dont kid yourself. If a leak happened in five minutes, you would be listening to it in six minutes.

your exactly right.but its a no win situation.i dont want anymore leaks but like ive said in other posts,im too weak in the will power to not download anymore leaks.so as a way of frustrating my confusion i say "im not downloading anymore leaks".but what i really mean is "please dont leak anymore songs coz i cant help my self but download em,and this isnt the way i want to hear CHINESE DEMOCRACY"

EDIT:and im pretty sure i dont only speak for myself

[speed_stone]

i know it's impossible to speculate when it comes to axl rose but i heard that he told someone backstage that he wasn't planning this song for chinese democracy? can this be verified in any way? he could change his mind though. regardless, he knows the best for chinese democracy, and CITR is, even though heard just as a demo yet, one of the best songs i have ever heard, period.

[highend88]

i know it's impossible to speculate when it comes to axl rose but i heard that he told someone backstage that he wasn't planning this song for chinese democracy? can this be verified in any way? he could change his mind though. regardless, he knows the best for chinese democracy, and CITR is, even though heard just as a demo yet, one of the best songs i have ever heard, period.

From Where did you heard it?

[speed_stone]

i know it's impossible to speculate when it comes to axl rose but i heard that he told someone backstage that he wasn't planning this song for chinese democracy? can this be verified in any way? he could change his mind though. regardless, he knows the best for chinese democracy, and CITR is, even though heard just as a demo yet, one of the best songs i have ever heard, period.

From Where did you heard it?

i read it actually, i don't remember if it was here or on mygnr.com, regardless you should take it with a grain of salt. the funny thing is, appearently he spoke to madison from mygnr.com after a show and told her it would be the second single for the album. i don't know who or what to believe, seems gnr fans are lying their asses off for attention these days. sad to see.

[pilferk]

i know it's impossible to speculate when it comes to axl rose but i heard that he told someone backstage that he wasn't planning this song for chinese democracy? can this be verified in any way? he could change his mind though. regardless, he knows the best for chinese democracy, and CITR is, even though heard just as a demo yet, one of the best songs i have ever heard, period.

From Where did you heard it?

I think on mygnrforum.

The thing is, noone can remember if he said it WOULD be on CD or if it WOULDN'T be on CD....

I seem to remember him saying it WOULD be on CD...but the comments were posted 4 years ago after, I think, MSG.  I will admit I could very well me misremembering.

[C0ma]

I agree that CITR has the most potential of all of the Demos we have heard so far. It is probably the roughest (and I would guess oldest) of the demo's, but stood out for me as soon as I heard it.
I would hope that this is on Chinese Democracy, unless it is slated for the 2nd album (which I better be able to hear before my Grandson has to change me every hour on the hour)

[kaasupoltin]

i remember one month before AFD was released all the songs were leaked onto the internet, and it was all WAV files and my connection was 28.800 bps so i had to wait for it to hit the stores...

Hahhaha sounds great I didnt know that they leaked too.

[C0ma]

i remember one month before AFD was released all the songs were leaked onto the internet, and it was all WAV files and my connection was 28.800 bps so i had to wait for it to hit the stores...

AFD??

28.8??

1987??

In 1987 downloading an album from the internet would have been akin to my being able to go back to 1987 in my retrofited Time Machine Trans AM (figured I'd leave the DeLorean out of this) today. Also the best you would have done in 1987 would have been 9660 baud (and that would have been a stretch)

Even downloading UYI from the internet in 1991 would have been "nearly" imposible.

[pilferk]

i remember one month before AFD was released all the songs were leaked onto the internet, and it was all WAV files and my connection was 28.800 bps so i had to wait for it to hit the stores...

Hahhaha sounds great I didnt know that they leaked too.

Um...no. ?Just no.

That would have been June 1987. ?Baud rate would have been around 2400 to 9600 (and the 9600 baud modem would have run you about a grand in '87....84 was when the tech first hit to allow baud rates that high).

14.4 modems (1/2 the speed you claim) were not released until 1991. ?28.8 modems (the speed you claim) were not released until 1994.

In addition, the whole the internet, as we know it, didn't really "exist". ?Sure, the network existed, but the content was pretty much non existant and public "dial in" points were few, far between, and generally reserved for educational institutions (like universities).? ?Sure, there were BBS out there...but not with nearly the storage capacity to hold all the album tracks in .wav format.

Add to that that CD-ROM drives were not widely commercially available in 1987. Yellowbook standard was approved in '85, and production on "real" CD-ROM drives didn't begin, in earnest, until late '88 and early '89..and they were prohibitively expensive. ?So you couldn't "encode" a wav directly from a CD (not to mention the software to do so didn't exist).

So it had to come from a cassette and a crappy PC mic (since sound cards didn't have "line in"...even the Roland cards only had Midi in...). ?Creating a complete set of .wav files for all tracks, from a cassette, would have used more hard drive memory than was currently available to consumers. ?The average drive size at the time would have been about 40 megs (yes MEGS).

In addition, the encoding process, that preserved any degree of clarity, would have bogged down the 8088 or 286 or VERY expensive 386 processor, and tiny 1 to 2 megs or ram.

And we'll end with the fact that, at the end of all this, you're left with .wav files that you can't fit on your PC, can't use anywhere but on your PC, with crappy speakers (No CD burners back then, remember?) and can't transport anywhere.

In short, from a technology standpoint...no. Just...no.

[speed_stone]

doesn't anyone else find it strange that axl mentioned to rolling stone that some of his favourite songs off CD were "better", "there was a time" and "the blues", right before these songs leaked? and not only that, we have already heard "the blues" in a live version. now, i don't wanna buy into the conspiracy theories about management leaking the songs, but do you think that axl knew the songs were out there so he mentioned the ones he already knew people would hear, or do you think that out of all the songs he has recorded, those three were simply among his favourites? you never know with axl so i would like to hear some opinions.

[Neemo]

The blues wasn't leaked

[speed_stone]

wow, great point, thanx for adding some new information to the discussion

[Steel_Angel]

he knew Chuck Norris was gonna leak them so yea ....