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« on: July 26, 2006, 09:36:47 PM »

I was bored and devised a way in which we can assess CD in it's current form to fans (as per demos and best live versions) vs. the potential each song has.

Heres what I came up with:

Chinese Democracy (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?8/10
The Blues (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?9/10
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 7/10
Better (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?7/10
Madagascar (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?5/10
IRS (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 6/10
TWAT (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 6/10
Rhiad (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?5/10
OMG (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 6/10
Silkworms (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 3/10

That comes to a 62% rating in terms of what we have heard thus far.
If we exclude OMG and Silkworms which most likely wont figure on CD we get a 66% rating.
If we also exclude Rhiad (which again may not figure) we get a healthy 69% rating.

More interesting is if we look at what potential we believe each song from what we've heard could have. This, I believe, gives a fairly accurate picture of what we are all in for:

Chinese Democracy (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 10/10
The Blues (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 10/10
Catcher in the Rye (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?10/10
Better (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 9/10
Madagascar (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?7/10
IRS (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 8/10
TWAT (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 9/10
Rhiad (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?7/10
OMG (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 8/10
Silkworms (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 5/10


Given this, we can say that the potential for these songs is 83%.
Take off OMG and Silkworms and we arrive at 88%
With Rhiad off as well we get 90%.

These songs we have not heard but will likely be on CD,? could have the following potential:

Prostitue? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 10/10
Thyme ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?8/10
The General? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 9/10

If we add these to the others then we still arrive at a very promising 90%.

Of course other factors like cohesion, production, order of tracks and overall feel need to be factored to get a clear picture of a great album. But based on this, things are looking fairly hopeful? ok Its not an exact science! hihi

Id be interested to see how others rate the songs based on these criteria.





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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2006, 09:45:01 PM »

You have WAY too much time on your hands...Please tell me you were stoned when you posted this.
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2006, 09:47:31 PM »

Chinese Democracy (current state) =               7/10
The Blues (current state) =                               9/10
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =                  7/10
Better (current state) =                                   9/10
Madagascar (current state) =                           8/10
IRS (current state) =                                        8/10
TWAT (current state) =                                    9/10
Rhiad (current state) =                                     5/10
OMG (current state) =                                      6/10
Silkworms (current state) =                              3/10
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2006, 09:52:46 PM »

Chinese Democracy (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?8/10 (song rocks.. it wont be much different on CD)
The Blues (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?9.5/10 (reallyh good song, doenst need any more improvements)
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 7/10 (the song rocks but the demo is REALLY a DEMO!)
Better (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?8.5/10? (intro and outro, mainly outro just doenst do it for me)
Madagascar (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?7/10? ?(very good song but quotes for like 1:30 seconds r kinda lame)
IRS (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 9/10? (amazing rocker, wont change to much)
TWAT (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ?8/10? (this ones gunna be very popular, and it shuld have some changes to make it better)
Rhiad (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?6/10 ( i like it, but nothing special at all)
OMG (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 6/10 ( i like it, and again.. only a demo, but nothing special to it)
Silkworms (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2/10 ( hihi)

and yeah, u got a lot of time on your hands rofl
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2006, 09:54:42 PM »

Okay, uhm...wow.  First off, let me just say that I appreciate the initiative in doing what you did.  That said, I'm not evaluating anything until I have the finished album in my hand.  Everything else it just too subjective at this point (I'd give "Better" higher than a 7/10, for example).
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2006, 09:56:47 PM »

you have your opinion, but I believe it to be bullocks
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2006, 10:02:03 PM »

You have WAY too much time on your hands...

What he said.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2006, 10:07:12 PM »

How can you evaluate songs you've never even heard?

Based on your ratings system I'd give IRS, TWAT, and The Blues at least an 8 maybe a 9, in their current form.  Chinese Democracy and Madagascar, 7's.

But to each his own.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2006, 10:13:58 PM »

As President, I have heard "Chinese Democracy," the entire album...it's a classic. Trust me.
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2006, 10:20:03 PM »

As President, I have heard "Chinese Democracy," the entire album...it's a classic. Trust me.

If Richard Nixon says Chinese Democracy is a classic, than it must be.. ok
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2006, 10:25:00 PM »

As President, I have heard "Chinese Democracy," the entire album...it's a classic. Trust me.

If Richard Nixon says Chinese Democracy is a classic, than it must be.. ok

Yeah but he's a lying fucking crook.
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2006, 10:36:24 PM »

Two things, Id give TWAT a 9/10, the guitar work is unbelievable, and madagascar needs to get rid of the quotes in the middle and replace it with some sick guitar work, or a dizzy solo
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2006, 10:54:31 PM »

How can you evaluate songs you've never even heard?
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I alert you to this part of my post:

"These songs we have not heard but will likely be on CD,? could have the following potential:"

I say could have, and rated them highly from a potential standpoint because theyve been talked up alot
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2006, 10:56:54 PM »

You have WAY too much time on your hands...Please tell me you were stoned when you posted this.

yes, as stated I was bored when I devised this.(I work alot with figures in my job as well)

but in seriousness, if it doesnt interest you, dont waste your time responding

instead find a thread that interests you more to post in - perhaps "Axls underpants" or "Finck is greater than Slash" or something
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2006, 11:14:00 PM »

You have WAY too much time on your hands...Please tell me you were stoned when you posted this.

Yeah, I know, what the hell.

You know, potential for any song is limitless - its pointless to start limiting where a song can go. And for fucks sake, you are rating the potential of songs we havent heard/know nothing about?
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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2006, 11:16:34 PM »

You have WAY too much time on your hands...Please tell me you were stoned when you posted this.

Yeah, I know, what the hell.

You know, potential for any song is limitless - its pointless to start limiting where a song can go. And for fucks sake, you are rating the potential of songs we havent heard/know nothing about?

dude, read the posts again - ive addressed that already

its supposed to be a bit of fun for those who want to be involved, its not foolproof or rocket science, christ!
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2006, 11:25:23 PM »

I just find it a bit bizarre thats all. Its your opinion put under the scrunity of number crunching. Like, who cares?
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2006, 01:13:46 AM »

Like I said before, you dont have to care - if you dont, which is clearly the case - avoid  posting in the thread  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2006, 01:32:41 AM »

Current State :

Chinese Democracy  7/10
The Blues 8/10
Catcher 7/10
Better 7/10
Madagascar 7/10
IRS 6/10
TWAT 7/10
Rhiad 5/10
OMG 3/10
Silkworms 1/10

3 months ago, the leaked songs would have had a better rating, but they've worn off.
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2006, 01:39:47 AM »

Just out of boredom, I'll also rate the current state of each song:

"Chinese Democracy"--- Haven't heard it, actually. So I can't give it a rating.

"The Blues" ---10/10  (It's already a masterpiece.)

"Better" --- 9/10 (To me, this song is just about perfect. With just a tad of tweaking, it WILL be perfect.)

"Madagascar"--- 9/10  (One of my favorite "new" tracks. And I happen to like the minute or so of movie quotes, especially the MLK part. When the quotes end, and Axl comes back on, it gives me chills every time. Love it, love it, love it.)

"Catcher in the Rye"--- 8/10  (At first it was my favorite of the new tracks, but after listening to it continuosly, I started to get just a little bored with it, which doesn't usually happen with me and GNR songs. It's still an amazing, amazing, amazing song, though. I really hope it's on the album.)

"IRS"--- 7/10  (This one continues to grow on me. I wasn't a huge fan of it at first, but now I love it.)

"TWAT"---  6/10  (I'm nowhere near as in love with this track as many of you others are.)

"Silkworms"--- 6/10 (Ah, the dreaded, hated, heavily chastised "Silkworms." Unlike nearly everybody else in the world, I don't hate this song. I actually . . . like it. And I have from the first time I heard it. The music part of it is really awesome; very different from anything I've heard before. The lyrics aren't that great, though. I think a studio version of the song would actually impress a lot of people.)

"Rhiad"--- 3/10  (Currently, this song sucks, imo. I can't stand it. But I've only heard a live version with very crappy quality, and so I think the song would probably sound very cool if it was cleaned up in a studio.)

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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2006, 02:23:24 AM »


Chinese Democracy (current state) =               4/10
The Blues (current state) =                               8/10
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =                  8/10
Better (current state) =                                   4/10
Madagascar (current state) =                           7/10
IRS (current state) =                                        6/10
TWAT (current state) =                                    7/10
Rhiad (current state) =                                     3/10
OMG (current state) =                                      4/10
Silkworms (current state) =                              0/10


Chinese Democracy (potential) =                    6/10
The Blues (potential) =                                    10/10
Catcher in the Rye (potential) =                       10/10
Better (potential) =                                          7/10
Madagascar (potential) =                                 9/10
IRS (potential) =                                              8/10
TWAT (potential) =                                          9/10
Rhiad (potential) =                                           4/10
OMG (potential) =                                            5/10
Silkworms (potential) =                                    1/10
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2006, 04:21:36 AM »

Potential? That's speculation and bullshit, I heard already all these songs (some in live action) and so....
...these are the points of the Prez' Jury - actual points:

Chinese Democracy? 6,5/10
The Blues 8/10
Catcher 6,5/10
Better 7/10
Madagascar 9,5/10
IRS 3/10
TWAT 8,5/10
Rhiad 5/10
OMG 3/10
Silkworms 6,5/10
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2006, 04:58:07 AM »

Chinese Democracy (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?4/10
The Blues (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?5/10
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 5/10
Better (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?6/10
Madagascar (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?8/10
IRS (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 7/10
TWAT (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 9/10
Rhiad (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?3/10
OMG (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 5/10
Silkworms (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 0/10
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Chinese Democracy (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 7/10
The Blues (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 6/10
Catcher in the Rye (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?8/10
Better (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 8/10
Madagascar (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?10/10
IRS (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 8/10
TWAT (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 10/10
Rhiad (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?6/10
OMG (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 5/10
Silkworms (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2/10
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Without the last three = 8.1, like UYI? Cheesy
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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2006, 05:39:24 AM »

Chinese Democracy  (current state) =               6/10
The Blues (current state) =                               6/10 (this song has dropped in quality in my opinion).                             
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =                 8/10               
Better (current state) =                                    8/10                               
Madagascar (current state) =                           4/10                         
IRS (current state) =                                         4/10 (BH solo only good thing about this song).                                   
TWAT (current state) =                                      5/10 (highly overrated)                               
Rhiad (current state) =                                      4/10 (crap lyrics but music is good)                                   
OMG (current state) =                                        2/10 (shit)                                 
Silkworms (current state) =                                2/10                           


Chinese Democracy (potential) =                        8/10                 
The Blues (potential) =                                        9/10 (if the album version isn't the newest version)                                 
Catcher in the Rye (potential) =                          10/10 (could possibly end up being CD's best song)                   
Better (potential) =                                              9/10                                 
Madagascar (potential) =                                     5/10                             
IRS (potential) =                                                   4/10                                   
TWAT (potential) =                                                6/10                               
Rhiad (potential) =                                                7/10                                 
OMG (potential) =                                                  2/10                                   
Silkworms (potential) =                                          3/10


Potential for all songs we haven't heard yet is extremely high.
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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2006, 05:43:11 AM »

Kaasu rates:

Chinese Democracy (current state) =               8/10
The Blues (current state) =                               7/10
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =                  6/10
Better (current state) =                                   9/10
Madagascar (current state) =                           8/10
IRS (current state) =                                        8/10
TWAT (current state) =                                    9/10
Rhiad (current state) =                                     8/10
OMG (current state) =                                      7/10
Silkworms (current state) =                              5/10
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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2006, 05:49:55 AM »

Well, for the sake of it... Wink

Chinese Democracy (current state) =               5/10
The Blues (current state) =                               8/10
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =                  5/10
Better (current state) =                                   9/10
Madagascar (current state) =                           7/10
IRS (current state) =                                        5/10
TWAT (current state) =                                    8.5/10
Rhiad (current state) =                                     4/10
OMG (current state) =                                      4/10
Silkworms (current state) =                              2/10
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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2006, 06:51:56 AM »

Axl4Prez2004 (the original "prez" at HTGTH) says:

Chinese Democracy (current state) =               7.5/10
The Blues (current state) =                               9.5/10
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =                  8.5/10
Better (current state) =                                   9.5/10
Madagascar (current state) =                           9.5/10
IRS (current state) =                                        9/10
TWAT (current state) =                                    9.75/10
Rhiad (current state) =                                     6.5/10
OMG (current state) =                                      3/10 I don't see it on CD
Silkworms (current state) =                              -1/10 I don't see it on CD either.


Chinese Democracy (potential) =                    9.75/10
The Blues (potential) =                                    11/10
Catcher in the Rye (potential) =                       10/10
Better (potential) =                                          11/10
Madagascar (potential) =                                 11/10
IRS (potential) =                                              10.5/10
TWAT (potential) =                                          240/10
Rhiad (potential) =                                           9/10
OMG (potential) =                                            4/10
Silkworms (potential) =                                    0/10
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« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2006, 06:53:53 AM »

i noticed you did the potential out of Thyme, Prostitute and The General... you only gave one of them 10/10 for potential.

in my opinion, songs weve heard fuck all from, all deserve the 10/10 for potential, as they have yet to be heard. once songs have been heard, thats when you start taking the rating down (if it needs to taken down).


Chinese Democracy (current state) =               8/10
The Blues (current state) =                               9.5/10
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =                  8/10
Better (current state) =                                   9/10
Madagascar (current state) =                           9/10
IRS (current state) =                                        6/10
TWAT (current state) =                                    9/10
Rhiad (current state) =                                     6/10 (only because the recordings arent clear enough)
OMG (current state) =                                      7/10 (i see it as a b-side... unless the re-recorded version is on CD... which would be cool as fuck)
Silkworms (current state) =                              7/10 (i cant wait to hear a studio version... i do honestly love this song.)


Chinese Democracy (potential) =                    9/10
The Blues (potential) =                                    10/10
Catcher in the Rye (potential) =                       10/10
Better (potential) =                                          10/10
Madagascar (potential) =                                 10/10
IRS (potential) =                                              8/10
TWAT (potential) =                                          10/10
Rhiad (potential) =                                           8/10
OMG (potential) =                                            9/10
Silkworms (potential) =                                    9/10 (as a studio song, it would be killer)
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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2006, 07:00:27 AM »

i noticed you did the potential out of Thyme, Prostitute and The General... you only gave one of them 10/10 for potential.

in my opinion, songs weve heard fuck all from, all deserve the 10/10 for potential, as they have yet to be heard. once songs have been heard, thats when you start taking the rating down (if it needs to taken down).

In my opinion you should not even be rating them since you have not even heard them!

Crazy when people start argueing over whether a song should be rated high or low when they don't have a clue what it sounds like.
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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2006, 07:02:02 AM »

Chinese Democracy  8/10
The Blues 8/10
Catcher 7/10
Better 9/10
Madagascar 9/10
IRS 7/10
TWAT 8/10
Rhiad 4/10
OMG 3/10
Silkworms 1/10

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« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2006, 07:03:02 AM »

i noticed you did the potential out of Thyme, Prostitute and The General... you only gave one of them 10/10 for potential.

in my opinion, songs weve heard fuck all from, all deserve the 10/10 for potential, as they have yet to be heard. once songs have been heard, thats when you start taking the rating down (if it needs to taken down).

In my opinion you should not even be rating them since you have not even heard them!

Crazy when people start argueing over whether a song should be rated high or low when they don't have a clue what it sounds like.

dude... thats my exact point... im not rating it at all, im just saying something that hasnt at all been heard, should have a 10/10 potential. if you get what i mean. if it was a "current state" rating, it would be 0/10 because it hasnt been heard for people to have an opinion on.

so every unheard song in current state should be 0/10
and every unheard songs potential, should be 10/10
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« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2006, 07:06:06 AM »

Why not focus only on the songs that will be on cd:

Chinese Democracy
The Blues
Catcher in the Rye
Better
IRS
TWAT

+ 7 more "unknown" songs, but none of the songs you mention.
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« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2006, 07:11:47 AM »

i will rate it when its in my CD player!
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« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2006, 08:56:33 AM »

 Roll Eyes

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« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2006, 09:28:36 AM »

Why not focus only on the songs that will be on cd:

Chinese Democracy
The Blues
Catcher in the Rye
Better
IRS
TWAT

+ 7 more "unknown" songs, but none of the songs you mention.
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« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2006, 09:36:30 AM »

These songs we have not heard but will likely be on CD,? could have the following potential:

Prostitue? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 10/10
Thyme ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?8/10
The General? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 9/10


are you an idiot?!!!
You are judging the songs by their title?!!
I guess you dont need to hear them at all if you already like them so much.

Idiot!!!!
Did I say that you are an IDIOT!!!
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« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2006, 09:39:12 AM »

Current State :

Chinese Democracy  7/10 (could be the best song with more heavy distorted guitars like the intro)
The Blues 5/10
Catcher 7/10 (Bri' May)
Better 9/10
Madagascar 5/10
IRS 9/10
TWAT 7/10
Rhiad 8/10 (One of the best songs wich kind of reminds me of Led Zeppelins "Immigrant song".
OMG 6/10
Silkworms 3/10 (nothing wrong with this song, but It's not a good song to perform live, that' it)

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« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2006, 09:40:35 AM »

Chinese Democracy (current state) =                  8/10
The Blues (current state) =                               9/10
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =                   8/10
Better (current state) =                                    9/10
Madagascar (current state) =                            7/10
IRS (current state) =                                        7/10
TWAT (current state) =                                     9/10
Rhiad (current state) =                                     7/10
OMG (current state) =                                      7/10
Silkworms (current state) =                               6/10


Chinese Democracy (potential) =                       9/10
The Blues (potential) =                                    10/10
Catcher in the Rye (potential) =                        9/10
Better (potential) =                                         10/10
Madagascar (potential) =                                  9/10
IRS (potential) =                                              9/10
TWAT (potential) =                                          10/10
Rhiad (potential) =                                           9/10
OMG (potential) =                                            9/10
Silkworms (potential) =                                     8/10
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« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2006, 09:45:50 AM »

How about the potential of the oldest song : "This I Love" ?

Pretty high imo. yes
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« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2006, 09:57:17 AM »

I think that you people have a strong potential to be the dumbest people on earth!!!!

how can you judge the potential?!
The potential is 10/10 for every song you stupid fucks!!!

you dont know how much they can change!!!

Go eat some fish, because your IQ is dangerously close to mr Bush!!!
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« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2006, 10:11:36 AM »


how can you judge the potential?!
The potential is 10/10 for every song you stupid fucks!!!


Yeah exactly, every song has a potential of 10/10, its just that most songs never reach above a 3.
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« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2006, 10:12:44 AM »

Roll Eyes

some of you people need jobs, girlfriends/boyfriends, something...this is ridiculous

I have all of those. Do you?
Why is this ridiculous? I find it fun!
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« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2006, 03:54:35 PM »

These songs we have not heard but will likely be on CD,? could have the following potential:

Prostitue? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 10/10
Thyme ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?8/10
The General? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 9/10


are you an idiot?!!!
You are judging the songs by their title?!!
I guess you dont need to hear them at all if you already like them so much.

Idiot!!!!
Did I say that you are an IDIOT!!!


no, you are an idiot pal - read the godammn post again and try and comprehend a little before you act like thi

an btw, dont refer to me that way again - who are you?
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« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2006, 04:00:19 PM »

are you an idiot?!!!
You are judging the songs by their title?!!
I guess you dont need to hear them at all if you already like them so much.

Idiot!!!!
Did I say that you are an IDIOT!!!

I think that you people have a strong potential to be the dumbest people on earth!!!!

how can you judge the potential?!
The potential is 10/10 for every song you stupid fucks!!!

you dont know how much they can change!!!

Go eat some fish, because your IQ is dangerously close to mr Bush!!!
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« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2006, 04:10:01 PM »

Axl really needs to see what he has made some of us do waiting for him to release the fucking Democracy...  Roll Eyes

People are starting to freaking out!  rant
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« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2006, 04:17:43 PM »

I wanna reply to this thread but i don't even know where to begin.... no

musical tastes are so varied (and biased on this board i might add) that it is impossible to get an accurate overall rating for the live tracks and demos we've heard.

and reviewing tracks that nobody has heard or even know that they even exist is just silly....c'mon now
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« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2006, 04:38:11 PM »

What neemo said.

And supposing most songs never reach above a 3/its potential, most covers are better than the originals.
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« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2006, 05:38:51 PM »

I hesitate to rate anything officialy unreleased, but....

**** Excellent
***? ?Good
**? ? ?Fair
*? ? ? ?Poor

***1/2? ?The Blues, Madagascar, Better
***? ? ? ? Catcher in the Rye, IRS
**1/2? ? ?There Was A Time
**? ? ? ? ? Chinese Democracy, Rhiad & the Bedouins
*? ? ? ? ? ? Oh My God, Silkworms
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« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2006, 05:54:24 PM »

As has been stated, this is retarded. Music is art, you don't give things scores and then work out the overall "quality" of it based on percentages. We're not robots.
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« Reply #49 on: July 27, 2006, 06:38:51 PM »

As has been stated, this is retarded. Music is art, you don't give things scores and then work out the overall "quality" of it based on percentages. We're not robots.
If its retarded, then why are you posting in the thread? Thats like saying you hate retarded people, but dating a retarded girl. There's several people in this thread who hate it with a passion, but keep on posting in it. If its so fucking bad, go make your own thread.
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« Reply #50 on: July 27, 2006, 06:52:41 PM »

Chinese Democracy (current state) =               7/10 (improved from 2002, but still rather short and boring.)
The Blues (current state) =                               7.5/10 (dropped from the almost perfect RIR 2001 and 2002 performances.  Richard's riff is gone, and it's kinda wimpy)
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =                  8.5/10 (very strong song)
Better (current state) =                                   9/10 (nice rocker, real 'bipolar'.  could be a huge hit)
Madagascar (current state) =                           7/10 (kinda repetitive, but still a solid song.  nice solo by Rich)
IRS (current state) =                                        6.5/10 (boring aside from Bucket's solo)
TWAT (current state) =                                    9/10 (masterpiece, just a couple sound tweakings are needed)
Rhiad (current state) =                                     6.5/10 (lyrics are shite, but the song's a solid rocker.  especially from the 01/01/01 bootleg)
OMG (current state) =                                      4/10 (good lyrics, everything else sucks)
Silkworms (current state) =                              1/10 (shit.)

Chinese Democracy (potential) =                     9/10 (if the weird intro stays, it could be real cool)
The Blues (potential) =                                    11/10 (if it's the old version.)
Catcher in the Rye (potential) =                       10/10 (cleaned up, obviously.  hopefully a rasp in vocals.  KEEP BRIAN MAY!)
Better (potential) =                                          10/10 (the demo rocks alone rocked)
Madagascar (potential) =                                 10/10 (more lyrics, not gonna happen, but it could be real cool.)
IRS (potential) =                                               7/10 (it'll never be outstanding, in my opinion.  just an average rocker.)
TWAT (potential) =                                          10/10 (cleared up w/o drum loops)
Rhiad (potential) =                                           9/10 (new lyrics needed)
OMG (potential) =                                            8/10 (take out ALL industrialness and the disco beat and it could be a solid rocker)
Silkworms (potential) =                                    1/10 (this song is absolutuly horrible.)
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« Reply #51 on: July 27, 2006, 07:08:33 PM »

As has been stated, this is retarded. Music is art, you don't give things scores and then work out the overall "quality" of it based on percentages. We're not robots.
If its retarded, then why are you posting in the thread? Thats like saying you hate retarded people, but dating a retarded girl. There's several people in this thread who hate it with a passion, but keep on posting in it. If its so fucking bad, go make your own thread.

Wow, what a stupid analogy.

This is a forum, I'm expressing my opinion, don't have a heart attack about it.
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« Reply #52 on: July 27, 2006, 07:20:42 PM »


no, you are an idiot pal - read the godammn post again and try and comprehend a little before you act like thi

an btw, dont refer to me that way again - who are you?

go join an astrology forum.
after all, you can forsee the quality of a song only by it's title.
especially when you dont even know if a song egsists. beer

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« Reply #53 on: July 27, 2006, 07:44:58 PM »

I wanna reply to this thread but i don't even know where to begin.... no

musical tastes are so varied (and biased on this board i might add) that it is impossible to get an accurate overall rating for the live tracks and demos we've heard.

and reviewing tracks that nobody has heard or even know that they even exist is just silly....c'mon now

jeez - it was devised as a way in which people who like this kind of thing can partake if they wish

this thread has really highlighted how narrow minded some have become.

In the initial post I made it abundantly clear that it is not science or exact, its opinion based but for those who like crunching numbers/working out averages (and yes, there are people on these boards who like that type of thing/have a statistical bent!!)

its a bit of fun

and for the umpteenth time, I know I havent heard Prostitute etc.. I made it clear again, that it was only a prediction of potential. Have we heard from sources that it is a big gun? yes. has it been talked about as potentially the best song? yes. all speculation? of course. someone made a good point saying that as far as potential goes, as we havent heard them, they should arguably all be 10/10 as far as potential goes. good point - the only decent point made in reference for those who have critisised. The rest  who chose to critisise missed the point entirely.

Im not saying this is the way music should be judged exclusively etc.. not at all. This is just one way of looking at what we have so far - a different perspective, nothing more, nothing less

Now with those parameters specified, it is very clear what this thread was supposed to be.

Not a foolproof estimation of what CD will be like
Not a statement that all music should be rated in this way exclusively

A bit of fun for those who like this kind of thing



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« Reply #54 on: July 27, 2006, 07:46:18 PM »

heh, many posters are giving you a lot of shit for this thread, eh?  hihi
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« Reply #55 on: July 27, 2006, 07:47:46 PM »

are you an idiot?!!!
You are judging the songs by their title?!!
I guess you dont need to hear them at all if you already like them so much.

Idiot!!!!
Did I say that you are an IDIOT!!!

I think that you people have a strong potential to be the dumbest people on earth!!!!

how can you judge the potential?!
The potential is 10/10 for every song you stupid fucks!!!

you dont know how much they can change!!!

Go eat some fish, because your IQ is dangerously close to mr Bush!!!
Question to Jarmo and the Mods: Why does this person always get a free pass when constantly insulting people?

Id like to know the answer to that as well

clearly the guy is troubled in a few ways, so I guess that is punishment enough
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« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2006, 09:14:00 PM »

Question to Jarmo and the Mods: Why does this person always get a free pass when constantly insulting people?

I bet you used to get beat up in highschool all the time... ok
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« Reply #57 on: July 28, 2006, 04:14:34 AM »

Lucky... I suggest you shut the fuck up for a while if you wish to stay a member on this board for even a while longer.
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« Reply #58 on: July 28, 2006, 12:22:27 PM »

its a bit of fun

and for the umpteenth time, I know I havent heard Prostitute etc.. I made it clear again, that it was only a prediction of potential. Have we heard from sources that it is a big gun? yes. has it been talked about as potentially the best song? yes. all speculation? of course. someone made a good point saying that as far as potential goes, as we havent heard them, they should arguably all be 10/10 as far as potential goes. good point - the only decent point made in reference for those who have critisised. The rest? who chose to critisise missed the point entirely.

Im not saying this is the way music should be judged exclusively etc.. not at all. This is just one way of looking at what we have so far - a different perspective, nothing more, nothing less

Now with those parameters specified, it is very clear what this thread was supposed to be.

I know it is for fun dude peace and i even started typing out my opinions on the songs then stopped and realized it was futile....

I'm just saying it is really biased around here...everything is getting 8, 9 and 10...IMO Better is the best thing we've heard and it gets and 8 or 9 tops...with everything falling below it...and what are we rating in comparison to? the old stuff....everything musical? if so then the ratings fall further...say we take CD and put it up against WTTJ...I'd give WTTJ about an 8...so by that number, where does CD campare...personally I'd say about a 5 or 6..you said 8...bah no way CD is in the same league @ jungle no as to rating a song a 10....never there is no perfect song everything could be improved in hindsight.

as to the potential of prostitute, of course it's 10 out of 10, we haven't heard it it could be the best song ever....of course it could  be a peice of shit too...like you can't honestly justify rating an unheard song cuz there is nothing to base the rating on Undecided

My post wasn't meant to get your panties in a bunch...i shoulda explained where i was coming from a bit better I'm sorry peace
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« Reply #59 on: July 28, 2006, 06:43:40 PM »




My post wasn't meant to get your panties in a bunch...i shoulda explained where i was coming from a bit better I'm sorry peace

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« Reply #60 on: July 28, 2006, 07:13:59 PM »

Original Poster, your too liberal with your ratings. 10 out of tens are reserved for Sweet Childs, November Rains, etc. Secondly, you assume every song will improve, in some cases dramatically. For a start, CD will stay as it is. It's being played live and has change just very little other than the intro in the last four years. You think there is gonna be a dramatic change in the next month? I would guess all the songs being played live have been finished. They could sound different on the record but CD, the title track is finished. Madagascar, The Blues all those old songs are finished by now, and while they might sound slightly different on the record, I think a jump of 2 points for those songs is a bit much. I think Rhiad and Catcher are two only likely to show dramatic improvements. Maybe TWAT as well, coz Fortus or someone said they didn't want to ruin that song by not playing it right live or something like that. But basically what you have done is put up all songs by two points. Your being overly optimistic, I'm afraid!

Chinese Democracy Current: 6/10, Potential: 6/10
The Blues: Current 7/10, Potential: 8/10 (if he goes back to 2002 way or if it sounds different on record, both unlikely though)
Catcher In The Rye: Current: 8 Potential: 9
Better: Current: 9 Potential :9 (can't see this changing much from the live version)
Madagascar: Current: 9 Potential: 10 (maybe kinda song hard to replicate live, could be better in studio)
IRS: 7/10 Potential: 7/10 (live version is almost certainly the final version)
TWAT: 9/10 Potential: 10/10 (we haven't heard decent live version yet, demo badly mixed, can't wait for studio version)
Rhiad: 2/10 Potential: 7/10 (bootlegs are too poor, potential to be a good rock song)
Oh My God: 3/10 Potential: 3/10 (not gonna be on CD)
Silkworms: 2/10 Potenial 2/10 (not gonna be on CD)

As for your predictions on General, Thyme and Prostitute, that's just lame. We haven't heard anything about these songs, other than Richard Fortus likes the General and maybe a couple of those songs Buckmeister talked about.

And I'm delighted with your genius comment that its not an exact science. The most sense of the whole post.
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« Reply #61 on: July 28, 2006, 10:14:42 PM »

I was bored and devised a way in which we can assess CD in it's current form to fans (as per demos and best live versions) vs. the potential each song has.

Heres what I came up with:

Chinese Democracy (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?8/10
The Blues (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?9/10
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 7/10
Better (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?7/10
Madagascar (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?5/10
IRS (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 6/10
TWAT (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 6/10
Rhiad (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?5/10
OMG (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 6/10
Silkworms (current state) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 3/10

That comes to a 62% rating in terms of what we have heard thus far.
If we exclude OMG and Silkworms which most likely wont figure on CD we get a 66% rating.
If we also exclude Rhiad (which again may not figure) we get a healthy 69% rating.

More interesting is if we look at what potential we believe each song from what we've heard could have. This, I believe, gives a fairly accurate picture of what we are all in for:

Chinese Democracy (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 10/10
The Blues (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 10/10
Catcher in the Rye (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?10/10
Better (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 9/10
Madagascar (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?7/10
IRS (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 8/10
TWAT (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 9/10
Rhiad (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?7/10
OMG (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 8/10
Silkworms (potential) =? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 5/10


Given this, we can say that the potential for these songs is 83%.
Take off OMG and Silkworms and we arrive at 88%
With Rhiad off as well we get 90%.

These songs we have not heard but will likely be on CD,? could have the following potential:

Prostitue? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 10/10
Thyme ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?8/10
The General? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 9/10

If we add these to the others then we still arrive at a very promising 90%.

Of course other factors like cohesion, production, order of tracks and overall feel need to be factored to get a clear picture of a great album. But based on this, things are looking fairly hopeful? ok Its not an exact science! hihi

Id be interested to see how others rate the songs based on these criteria.







I know you explained everyhing already..but this is the DEFINITION of wasted time  ! can't believe this !  rofl
"The General" might be a 7,4 or 7,52 though...
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« Reply #62 on: July 28, 2006, 11:47:06 PM »

Ehh, what the hell.  I'll do this.  But I won't bother with songs we've never heard, nor with potential.  That's silly talk, let's just stick with what we know.  Also gonna change the rating scale to out of 100 because I think it give more room for different scores.

I'll start off by saying that I think CITR and Better are the best tunes.  I give them an 88.  Everything else is relative.  Why only an 88 and not 100?  Because I don't want to be too liberal with good marks, and you have to leave room for the really truly special songs to get 90s and 100.

Chinese Democracy  (current state) =               65/100
The Blues (current state) =                               82/100
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =                  88/100
Better (current state) =                                   88/100
Madagascar (current state) =                           73/100
IRS (current state) =                                        77/100
TWAT (current state) =                                    82/100
Rhiad (current state) =                                     55/100
OMG (current state) =                                      60/100
Silkworms (current state) =                              40/100

Yeah, that's about right.  Overall it gets a 71%.  Take away Silkworms and it's 74.44%.  Also take away OMG and Rhiad and it's 79.28%.

I guess songs like I.R.S. and Chi Dem get compared to rockers from the past like Nightrain and Brownstone.  They are a bit lacking in comparison.  So their scores are a bit low.  I'd say Better, CITR, and The Blues stacks up well against what the old band did, so their scores show that.  TWAT too...it took time to grow on me but I think it's an amazing song.
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« Reply #63 on: July 29, 2006, 05:00:52 AM »

Current state:

TWAT = 10/10
Better = 10/10
Madagascar = 9/10
IRS = 9/10
Chinese Democracy = 8/10
The Blues = 8/10
Catcher in the Rye = 8/10
Rhiad = 6/10
OMG = 6/10
Silkworms = 4/10
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« Reply #64 on: July 29, 2006, 09:51:15 AM »


Chinese Democracy (current state) =               9/10
The Blues (current state) =                               6/10
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =                  4/10
Better (current state) =                                   9/10
Madagascar (current state) =                           8/10
IRS (current state) =                                        5/10
TWAT (current state) =                                    8/10
Rhiad (current state) =                                     4/10
OMG (current state) =                                      6/10
Silkworms (current state) =                              3/10

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« Reply #65 on: August 28, 2006, 10:27:21 PM »

Chinese Democracy- 7.5/10
The Blues- 5/10...don't care for it all but decent
CITR- 7/10
Better-8.5/10
Madagascar-7/10
IRS-8/10
TWAT-9.5/10
Rhiad-6/10
OMG-7/10
Silkworms-7/10...better than most of it's ratings
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« Reply #66 on: August 29, 2006, 01:05:36 AM »

You can not, I repete, CAN NOT give music a numerical score!!  Angry rant

It goes against everything good art stands for.  yes peace
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« Reply #67 on: August 29, 2006, 02:51:27 AM »

FINAL tabulations:

Chinese Democracy (current state) =                6/10
The Blues (current state) =                               10/10
Catcher in the Rye (current state) =                  7/10
Better (current state) =                                     9/10
Madagascar (current state) =                            8/10
IRS (current state) =                                         8/10
TWAT (current state) =                                      7/10
Rhiad (current state) =                                      0/10
OMG (current state) =                                       8/10
Silkworms (current state) =                              -1/10
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« Reply #68 on: August 29, 2006, 03:16:56 AM »

how can omg be a demo, it was released on the end of days sound track officially, so not a demo?

to save time i'll give all the new songs 8's and 9's except rhiad, silkworms, and omg, whcih i dont think will be on cd
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« Reply #69 on: August 29, 2006, 04:18:05 AM »

how can omg be a demo, it was released on the end of days sound track officially, so not a demo?

i heard somewhere that axl released it anyway for the film release... and the song was unfinished.

i dont have any quotes, nor have i seen any, this is just what ive heard off other forum people.
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« Reply #70 on: August 29, 2006, 07:10:47 AM »

how can omg be a demo, it was released on the end of days sound track officially, so not a demo?

i heard somewhere that axl released it anyway for the film release... and the song was unfinished.

i dont have any quotes, nor have i seen any, this is just what ive heard off other forum people.

I don't know about that but I read an article that he and Jimmy Iovine stayed up all night before the deadline finishing the mix.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/06/arts/music/06leed.html?ei=5090&en=a13c0fac87670850&ex=1267851600&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1156849805-BmOLuky4SLi3+yw3+bjfVw
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