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« Reply #240 on: June 15, 2009, 04:51:58 PM »

I kind of compare this to Batman

When I went and saw the remake of Batman, I didn't like it because I couldn't separate it from the Tim Burton Batman that came out in 89.

So I say if people could just listen to CD without bias and thinking about Appetite and UYI they would love it a lot more.

I think they hear it and think "This doesn't sound like those" and they don't give it a chance.
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« Reply #241 on: June 15, 2009, 05:21:39 PM »

Just made a sale of Chinese Democracy to a friend of mine.

She was unaware it was even out.

I fucking envy her getting to hear this in its entirety for the first time with no idea of what to expect or expectation

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« Reply #242 on: June 15, 2009, 05:41:16 PM »

I think this subject should be changed.....I think that from the people who have heard a song or 2 of CD havent minded the song at all and most have got the cd.....Its just that there has been No Music Video to help this thing reach the masses      I think if they made a simple video for this i love it would sell alot more in a hurry. peace
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« Reply #243 on: June 15, 2009, 06:12:46 PM »

CD came out 7 months ago which, in the grand scheme of things, isn't a very time. To the hardcore fans who've waited for it to be released and have been listening to it since it came out and have hoped for a tour/video/whatever, it may seem like a long time but it's not really. When we see how CD is viewed in a few years' time, things may have changed. Maybe.

Opinions on music when it's first released don't stay the same. People change their minds, new people discover it, etc. Critical re-evaluation and all that.

Hell, maybe a second album with better promotion may spark new interest in GNR and CD, who knows? Just because there hasn't been an immediately overwhelmingly positive response to the album, doesn't mean that'll always be the case.
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« Reply #244 on: June 15, 2009, 06:18:58 PM »

I am gonna be optimistic for a change

There have been recent CD's to do this;


Kid Rock: his album was fucking DEAD and he released that single "All Summer Long" and his album went from barely gold to damn near double platinum

Pink also did that. She released two shitty singles and came back strong with U and Ur Hand and Who Knew and her album shot back from the dead.


Problem is, Do GNR have that crossover Catch Fire single?


This I Love MUST be released with a video

that can save this album.
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« Reply #245 on: June 15, 2009, 06:24:32 PM »

^TIL is my least favourite song on CD, but I do think it would do well and possibly boost sales of the album if it got decent airplay. If...
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« Reply #246 on: June 15, 2009, 06:26:42 PM »

I can accept failure, it's the lack of an effort that sours this.
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« Reply #247 on: June 15, 2009, 06:40:32 PM »

I am gonna be optimistic for a change

There have been recent CD's to do this;


Kid Rock: his album was fucking DEAD and he released that single "All Summer Long" and his album went from barely gold to damn near double platinum

Pink also did that. She released two shitty singles and came back strong with U and Ur Hand and Who Knew and her album shot back from the dead.


Problem is, Do GNR have that crossover Catch Fire single?


This I Love MUST be released with a video

that can save this album.
Not to go off topic but I was thinking the other day that Kid Rock can basically live off of "All Summer Long" for the next ten years.  That song will inevitably get heavy airplay EVERY summer for the next several years.

I don't know if there's a song on CD that could possibly resonate with the public at that level but there are definitely some possibilities that could win some people over.  But as people have said, you're gonna need some exposure, videos, band appearances, interviews, etc., etc.  As great as I think the music is, it's hard for ANY music to stand on its own without a significant push.
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« Reply #248 on: June 15, 2009, 07:11:55 PM »


This I Love MUST be released with a video

that can save this album.

"This I Love", along with "Prostitute", are my two favorite tracks on the album. I've always been skeptical about its commercial viability though b/c of the risk of some uninformed listeners (i.e. those that have long ago lost track of the whole Axl-Stephanie saga) finding it too... to quote Public Enemy #1, John Pareles, "maudlin" (i.e. overly sentimental to the point of being silly).

That said- the great thing about "TIL" IMHO is that it directly refutes the idea that Axl Rose can't write an effective traditional Guns N' Roses style ballad w/o the old band. "TIL" would have slotted in easily on the Illusions- and probably would have been HUGE (along with "Don't Cry", "November Rain", "Estranged", etc.) back in the day. It's the one track on Chinese Democracy IMHO that really screams "classic Guns" and therefore the type of song that may have the casual rock listener thinking... "THERE! Finally- something that sounds like the Guns I knew and loved!". Worth a shot...
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« Reply #249 on: June 15, 2009, 07:35:36 PM »

My mom would love "This I Love"and she is 55

I could see teenage Twilight Girls loving this song

Dudes would love this song

It is THE crossover song


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« Reply #250 on: June 15, 2009, 10:03:53 PM »

TIL is brilliant.

re release Better and eventually TIL when the train is ready to roll. and lets see what happens
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« Reply #251 on: June 16, 2009, 12:15:35 AM »

Just made a sale of Chinese Democracy to a friend of mine.

She was unaware it was even out.

I fucking envy her getting to hear this in its entirety for the first time with no idea of what to expect or expectation



i envy her too. very nice.

Any complaints about the lack of original members should be and are completely irrelevant in 2009.

exactly.   Guys on the latest album I can sort of understand, but guys who haven't been in the band in over a decade?!?

Tommy said it best  ok
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« Reply #252 on: June 16, 2009, 09:15:48 AM »

Just made a sale of Chinese Democracy to a friend of mine.

She was unaware it was even out.

I fucking envy her getting to hear this in its entirety for the first time with no idea of what to expect or expectation



i envy her too. very nice.

Any complaints about the lack of original members should be and are completely irrelevant in 2009.

exactly.   Guys on the latest album I can sort of understand, but guys who haven't been in the band in over a decade?!?

Tommy said it best  ok

Yeah, but in a way thats where i feel bad for the new band. When most people think of GNR they think of the old band because they were promoted properly( magazines, videos, posters, tons of band pics). There has never been an official band pic of any of the post 1993 lineups. So besides any of the die hards nobody really knows who's in the band and still associate GNR with the old gunners.
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« Reply #253 on: June 16, 2009, 11:23:54 AM »

I'm sorry but I just don't think TIL is the big crossover hit. Most people I know that heard it think it's silly and belongs on a Meatloaf album.

I think Better could have been the big one if promoted properly.
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« Reply #254 on: June 16, 2009, 11:49:45 AM »

I'm sorry but I just don't think TIL is the big crossover hit. Most people I know that heard it think it's silly and belongs on a Meatloaf album.

I think Better could have been the big one if promoted properly.

I gotta agree. TIL would not appeal to the rock crowd. If anything I can see TWAT, Prostitute or Madagascar. But in all actuality I dont think the album really has a standout hit in it.
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« Reply #255 on: June 16, 2009, 11:50:33 AM »

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I'm sorry but I just don't think TIL is the big crossover hit. Most people I know that heard it think it's silly and belongs on a Meatloaf album.

I think Better could have been the big one if promoted properly.


I agree, TIL tempo is too slow and stuff for radio IMO.  SOD would be good.
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« Reply #256 on: June 16, 2009, 01:14:47 PM »

I kind of compare this to Batman

When I went and saw the remake of Batman, I didn't like it because I couldn't separate it from the Tim Burton Batman that came out in 89.

So I say if people could just listen to CD without bias and thinking about Appetite and UYI they would love it a lot more.

I think they hear it and think "This doesn't sound like those" and they don't give it a chance.

Wait what? You didn't like Batman Begins because you couldn't separate it from the Tim Burton Batman movie that came out in '89. Am I reading this right? I like you D but, this is the biggest "What the Fuck?" post of the year.
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« Reply #257 on: June 16, 2009, 01:19:02 PM »

Loved the Dark Knight, Hated Batman Begins.

was too attached to the Burton Batman to give the new one a chance and that could be a good analogy of the GNR thing. That and I think Christian Bale sucks.

People don't hear "Appetite" so they don't give it the attention it deserves.

People judge shit off crazy things.

If they heard the single and hated it, their minds are automatically gonna assume the entire CD sucks cause most put their strongest song out first.

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« Reply #258 on: June 16, 2009, 01:28:59 PM »

Subjectively, no one can consider it "alright to pretty good". No way. The songs are on a level that no other bands out there today puts out, and the production is flawless and so is the band.

How is the production flawless?  have you not heard the skip on Scraped? 

Dont get me wrong, i love the albumn.  But the production isnt flawless.
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« Reply #259 on: June 16, 2009, 01:33:22 PM »

Subjectively, no one can consider it "alright to pretty good". No way. The songs are on a level that no other bands out there today puts out, and the production is flawless and so is the band.

How is the production flawless?  have you not heard the skip on Scraped? 

Dont get me wrong, i love the albumn.  But the production isnt flawless.


It's supposed to be there.





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