Here Today... Gone To Hell!

More are in the process of being swapped around right now, they will be leaked by the end of the weekend.

Someone on mygnr also said a particular somebody here on this forum has the whole version of CATCHER IN THE RYE but has not shared it yet...

Who is holding out on us?  :P

Yeah, let's see some sharing here!  :beer:

as will I, and will amke sure all the ?:crying: :crying: :crying: babies will never know :crying:

WTF??? more leaks?? how many songs are we talking about here/??

this i love
prostitute
seven
leave me alone
catcher in the rye

i have talked with people who knew that they are in circulation or had clips of them.

Well the names Catcher In The Rye, This I Love, The General, Prostitute, Thyme and a few other names flying around. This is not good :no:

Yeah, whoever has them should just be share them all already.

Ok... did anybody else just catch that before it was deleted?

themovieaddict.com: quit playing games dude. put it out there or don't

I will let you know this...

That 10 seconds was only supposed to be given to someone who may have another track to trade. I sent that 10 second clip to someone on this forum. It is my belief the mods here have been monitoring my pm activity since I have been offering $100 a track and snagged the yousendit link that I sent out. The track was then leaked this evening.

You are right that trades are in the works, the time is not yet right for the full track to leak because if it does the song will lose its value and a trade will then be impossible. Whoever leaked this is seriously jepordizing this boards chances of getting more material...

So, once again.. please be patient and let what is going on behind the scenes work itself out.

when are the mod's bedtimes anyway :hihi:

Don't you think its strange that all the leaked songs and rumoured to be are the ones that weren't played in 2002, i think none of this songs will be on CD maybe another title but not in the awaited Chinese Democracy

I didn't know about seven, and leave me alone, but I have also heard from various people that those other songs are out.

Just link the fucking tracks. Shit, you act like you're  a baseball GM or something with all this 'trading" shit, it's a fucking song. If you want to do your faggy "Trading", why doesn't everyone with tracks just save us all some time and leak the shit, that way everyone gets to hear the songs.

Stop being such a douche.

thats exactly why they should be leked already.....these are songs we've been earing about for over 7 years now.....how much work can be needed and if they needed that much work.....how good could they be

Guys, I don't have it. If I did, I would share it. I am not a song hog. I would put it out there.

However, I know certain things, and I know the song will be leaked soon, as well as others, and I know someone on this forum has Catcher in the Rye and he is keeping you guys in the dark about it.

Which others?

Are you saying that the people who have these tracks are only willing to share them if they get paid for it?

Thanks for the tip - we appreciate it.

whats soon? like hours? or in a couple days?

By the end of the weekend if all goes to plan.

The guy who has the song you want to hear...well...I can't really say his name because I'd probably be banned.

this really sucks for axl.  he's worked hard all these years.  he doesnt need this shit.

i'm tired of this bullshit. us salivating and being yanked around so that other people can have their glory moments while axl rose watches his art being bastardized....
and yet... i can't help myself ?:no:
aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

if that is true then the whole situation is complete Bullshit. that should never happen if you respect the band at all!!

OH BTW.. you just admitted to a felony in that post.

Jarmo needs to do something. This board could end up getting in some serious shit.

Stop.

Stop now - a bidding war does no good in this situation.

I was in negotiation for a song and the other guy was offered a clip of Seven.

music should be heard, not talked about for 12 years :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You're assuming whoever has the demos is a Guns N' Roses fan.

Exactly. However. some traders need their ego's stroked.

A) They want to prove they had the most, first.
B) They get an ego boost once the shit hits the fan.

I actually don't care if it's leaked or not. They're pricks.

What's a felony, overpaying for a DEMO

:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: get da fuck out!!!!111!!one1111

what the fuck is going on have these tracks leaked yet or not???

There are some selfish people who have these songs (looking for money) and there are people who are interested in benefiting ALL Gn'r fans by striking negotiations for MORE songs...so, in other words, the reason CATCHER isn't being leaked yet is so they can use it as a bargaining chip for other songs.

Distributing copyrighted music that you don't own the rights to and that isn't even officially released, and receiving money for it? That's illegal, and our buddy here just admitted to it.

I wonder if Axl's  lawyers read this forum.

p00p on merck

i bet they already know what's out there dude. plus they knew this would happen. now they hurry up and release CD while people are in a frenzy over the demos.

Whoever informed Merck is an idiot. I don't like the idea that people have to pay to get these tracks out there, but if these fans are generous enough to pay to share with us, then I say bring on the leaked tracks.

Yeah, and Merck's official response was "Oh, really? ?Uh, you'll get a statement sometime soon." ? ?:rofl:

MyGNR Member:

Looks like we've got a narc.......who is it.

well, it would seem the leak is coming from someone in his camp.....since who else would have it.....

maybe he should reevaluate who he's got in it if it's such a concern for him........

who knows, it could be from someone in his own label......

why else would joe bloe form a forum be in a position to try to buy it......

and maybe he's talking shit to amke himself seem important.....felony my ass....

I think to prove a "felony" you would need a bit more proof that a post in a fan forum of all places

the only way to stop leaks from happening would eb to shut down the whole internet

how is it possible that so many people have so many different tracks, you'd think it would all stem from the same person

ok merck wasn't contacted it was posted at that gnr reincarnated forum and then clarified

Who cares. He's dicked around with this community long enough. He did a dipshit thing in proclaiming 2005 the year of GNR, and now a few disgruntled fans are ensuring that 2006 really is the year.

MyGNR member jackamo!:

it was me got a problem with it?

hahahaha PCU

Not really, i was actually being sarcastic.

Chinese democracy has came early guys.. this is the moment we've been waiting for ?:peace: well...sorta. :beer:

Look at the bright side, the album will prolly be released sooner without any of Axl's control and it'll give him an excuse if the album doesn't sell well.

or

If he's got 32 songs, who know if these will even be on the album ... maybe their just getting rid of b sides to gauge what will be on the album, just because we heard a song title float around for so long, just tells me it's been heard... Axl might have a whole other plan.

I'm not worried, i just hope if that isn't the case and these songs are all on the album- Axl doesn't throw a fit and give up on the whole thing, god damn- would the record company be in shits creek, i wonder if they could sue him for that or something...

All these people, Axl included are rich as fuck so i don't really care, more leaks, the better.

we've got another fucking hypocrite in the house :rofl:

Narcs are gay! but i would hate to see the site get in trouble, but if their gonna go after anyone, it better be these other sites first! at least.

WHAT A BUNCH OF PHONY DOUCHE BAGS YOU PEOPLE HAVE BECOME !!!

Groveling for tracks we've waited 12 years to receive so you can make yourself feel better by listening to the album before it's released.

The first couple of tracks fine, so be it. ?You got a taste, but now you're a bunch of fucking wild animals that have to have more and are willing to trade and pay for someone's art.

Allot of you claim to be fans of Axl and GNR, ?what a joke. ?If you have a shred of respect for axl or the band you'll stop the assholes who are spreading this shit by not offering to trade or buy the leaks or better yet by not downloading the leaks.

The man himself said that we'd get the music this year and it's too much to ask the phony's on this board to wait a few more months. ? Don't ever refer to yourself as fans, you're nothing but leeches and gluttens.

I do hope jarmo and the mods start banning the fucking retards that have requested leaks, they don't belong on this forum which has gone out of it's way to show integrity and loyalty to GNR.

WTF is e-mailing Merck gonna change? omg call the internet police

Jarmo has Catcher in the Rye.

And no, I don't have any tracks, nor did I say I had any. I am just trying to tell everyone that they SHOULD HAVE PATIENCE...the tracks are not being leaked BECAUSE people are trying to bargain for more songs.

That's the reason the current leaks people have haven't been...er...leaked yet.

I've heard from various people and as far as I can gather, Prostitute, Thyme, Catcher in the Rye, General and This I Love are in the possession of people on the Internet, so it's only a matter of time.

how do you know jarmo has it?

Numerous people have told me he has it.

How the fuck am i a hypocrite? Because I dont want the whole album leaked out onto the internet? Fuck you.

I've heard that when "numerous people tell you....." it means it's TRUE!

automatically, no questions asked.

I heard Jarmo is on boat right now with Axl fishing and talking about Belgium. Numerous people have told me this.

Gotta say, I applaud whoever told Merck about it. Enough is enough as far as leaks are concerned - particularly when people are trying to make money off them.

Merck can't and won't do shit about it

riiiiight


well in that case im sure good old jarmo will hook some suckahs up

i can confirm it

THe fucking hypocrites are the one's claiming to be fans but who are ready to help spread this shit and getting all excited about shitting on their musical hero.

Merck can't stop the leaks. He can monitor forums like this but he can't keep his eye on the whole internet. They can spread through a variety of methods.

Yeah but no one likes a snitch, look at 50 cent  :yes:

Right on dude

Shouldn't that be, "no one likes a bitch, look at 50 cent"?

Stop the leaks & release the album!

I would think a hypocrite would be someone who at one time is downloading the leaks, writing critiques about songs, than saying how big an asshole one is for wanting a leak....sure as hell sounds like one to me

Shitting on their music hero? Give me a break. Granted, I realize he may not be cool with it, but these same people dying to hear these same tracks are the same people who stuck by him through thick and thin. They stuck by him when he was shitting on them. They are also the same people who will go out and buy at least one copy of CD the day it is released, they will buy tix if GNR comes near them, they will buy their merchandise, etc.

These are just loyal fans who are starved to hear music.

well hell man, you got the right attitude there. At least theres some decent fans left here and no everyone has turned into assholes.  :beer:

Why is ?it that most threads on this site soon or ?later end up in acrimony or insults? Is it the GNR community or something else? It really is something to behold how every thread deteriorates.....

Look, I know you dont give a fuck but I for one dont want to see the entire album leaked out. So im going to do whatever the fuck i can do to stop it from happening.

It's really a shame that this board is going to shit right now. Twenty fucking topics on the same shit. I mean I am all for the new people, I might be old school. But I hope people stop making twenty fucking new threads up.

The mods are going to have to do a shit load of work tommorow. They don't get paid at all its volunteer.

Jarmo does this site cause hes a fan and provides us with a forum. Yet its going to shit right now with all these numerous topics and shit.

It would suck if they had to close the board down in order to stop the leaks of the full album.

Anyways thats my two cents, hopefully people will just not post twenty four topics on the same thing.

-- Jimmer

Yeah either way it works

The best words I've read all night.  I couldnt have said it better myself.  Rock on.

:rofl: :rofl: exactly my thoughts.jmapelian was talkin about me there,but like ive already said,I BELIEVED THE FIRST 3 TRACKS TO BE LEAKED BY GNR,THATS WHY I DOWNLOADED THEM AND COMMENTED ON THEM.NOW THERE IS MORE LEAKS,I DONT BELIEVE GNR HAVE LEAKED EM,WHICH IS WHY MY VIEWS HAVE CHANGED AND IM PISSED ABOUT THE NEW LEAKS.GOT THAT NOW.some poeple are just fukin THICK ?:rant:

Which isn't much i'm afraid, except for complaining on the board but that aint gonna do shit. Sorry just the way it is ?:yes:

Mccoygnr, you're the one who started a thread after me naming songs that would be leaked based on a liar's claims. ?::)

Anyway, my sources are accurate. They knew when Catcher clip would leak, where it would leak. They know which songs are circulating right now, and who has them.

Jarmo is one of the people who has them. You don't have to believe me; I don't care. You'll find out soon enough.

There is a hell of a lot more that can be done. If  people would fucking realise what they are doing then none of this shit would be happening right now.

I agree. A couple people really turned these leak threads into garbage.

Is anything going to happen tonight?

:beer: to that. Just like James and Krispy Kream said, all these threads have the same few people bitching at each other too.

What can one person realistically do?

im confused now, too many theeads, but anyway i wonder the mods are doing... ?:nervous:

I apologize for anything i said to piss anyone off.... :peace: my brothers.

This is fucking lame I dont want that tracks to be leaked but when they are I cant not listen to them cause Im to addicted to Guns N Roses. ANybody feel the same way?

BULLSHIT, are you that naive ? ?Do you really think all these people who are burning every track are going to buy the cd ? ?No fucking way, why do you think record sales go down every year.

So you're twisted logic is that axl shit on his fans by not releasing the material on their timetable ? ?So to repay him you're going to shit on him for not being prompt enough for your greedy ass.

FUCK YOU - ?AND FUCK THE REST OF THE PIGS WHO HAVE NO INTEGRITY.

Its more then one person. There is alot of people who are trying to stop these leaks from happening. And Im willing to bed that if these leaks keep up then the boards are going to be shut down...

isnt it strange how theres no mods or jarmo about tonight of all nights ?:nervous:

they obviously want it to leak, but they want to stay true to the rules

Yes even though we disagree we are GNR brothers in arms.

now stop touching me

But I want to... : ok: where's that thumb goin?  :drool:  lol, we are brothers from other mothers.

where do we think all these leaks are coming from?

People who download tracks tend to buy MORE music.

Try and go on more than what the RIAA feeds you.

Its not strange at all. This is the time of day when very little mod activity happens. I dont know what time it is in europe, but they are either sleeping, or its morning and they've went to work. The meaningless threads and constant insults from some of these dipshits always happens during these hours, because they know that no one is "minding the store".

Can you show me a study that shows that?

yeah but with all this activity lately,theres been at least one mod on at all times.

You know what they say about those who assume. They make an ass of theirselves.

No, I never said that people should repay him because he shit on the fans but apparently comprehension isn't one of your strong points. My point was that these people on these forums are diehard Axl/GNR fans and they aren't out there to hurt him. The people here want to hear music because they are dying to hear what Axl made not because they are too cheap to buy Chinese Democracy.

How many people do you really think are going to download a bunch of demos and burn them instead of buying Chinese Democracy? Surely very few if any of the diehards on this forum would pass on owning the final product and many of these people will be buying multiple albums because they want CD to chart well.

Oh and record sales don't go down every year because of DEMOS. They go down for two reasons. #1 is because the music industry pushes shit on us. #2 is because the FINAL product leaks.

Why are record sales down year by year?  Because by and large music gets shittier every year.  The music industry has killed itself by taking no risks and stifling artist creativity.

And it doesn't matter if people are downloading these songs.  Chinese Democracy will be leaked before the official release date, it would be no matter what measures they took.  It happens with literally every single album.  The people who download the album now and don't buy it are the same people who would download the album after it comes out in stores and not buy it. 

He can't show anything because it's pirate logic. ?If his logic were true then every band would post their albums for promotion. ?Just a way to ease the guilt.

The amount of people who are actually downloading these leaks is small compared to the amount who will buy the album. ?I have friends who love GNR and aren't even downloading anything. ?They wouldn't even know that songs were leaked if I didn't tell them. ?People are worried about way too much. ?That is why Axl isn't doing anything about it. ?So what if a few thousand people download some leaks. ?There will probablly be over a million that will buy the album.

I can show you several. Here's one. Google for others.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4718249.stm

"Digital music research firm The Leading Question found that they spent four and a half times more on paid-for music downloads than average fans."

" The study found that regular downloaders of unlicensed music spent an average of ?5.52 a month on legal digital music.

This compares to just ?1.27 spent by other music fans."

but you'll download 2-3, critique them, insult Slash and Duff, but after that....... :-X :-X

and If they do leak, i'm sure you'll download them, critique them,and call everyone else who downloaded them an asshole as your saying how great they are

That's interesting, I stand corrected, however it does not state they are buying more CD's and complete albums

Were not talking about legal downloads here. Were talking illegal stuff. People who illegally download songs arent as likely to go buy the albums.


As for you fuck you. Unlike you i dont think im owed anything by Axl. Im not going to help people like you spread around this music that shouldnt be out there.  ::)

you forgot #3....the final product sucks and ha shitty word of mouth....the number 1 reason for poor album sales

You don't have the first idea what a pirate is.

I have no guilt, I can gauruntee I've spent more on media and entertainment than you have in the last 60 days. When you have a clue as to what you're talking about, get back to me.

There's plenty of studies in addition to the one I've just researched.

Want a lesson in Record Industry losses?

You're getting one:

The record industry term for SALES actually refers to units shipped to retail. NOT retail units sold. During the years after Napster, the record companies shipped fewer units to stores. They actually SOLD MORE, because at any given time, there's always copies on shelves.

Because they shipped fewer units, they claimed they lost sales due to piracy, but soundscan and other sources proved THEY MOVED MORE UNITS.

This was admitted by the industry, in a spin-doctored press release that still made them sound like bleeding hearts.

Really, do some research outside of the Associated Press etc. Those news agencies pick up industry press releases, paraphrase them, and distribute.

For the study, released Monday, researchers at Harvard University and the University of North Carolina tracked music downloads over 17 weeks in 2002, matching data on file transfers with actual market performance of the songs and albums being downloaded. Even high levels of file-swapping seemed to translate into an effect on album sales that was "statistically indistinguishable from zero," they wrote.

Read the rest of the article here: http://news.com.com/2100-1027-5181562.html?tag=cd_top

I can show you several other studies. But googling on your own would be a start. Harvard Business School and University of North Carolina did a study that showed this also.

The industry's response to Harvard:

"all other major surveys show that file-sharing has an enormous impact on sales"

Please note - at the time (2004) the "all other studies" referred to were comissioned by the music industry.

Dang you just beat me to it, I couldn't find the link.

UNlicensed music. That is "illegal stuff." IN AMERICA.

In other words, the people downloading unlicensed music also buy licensed music - and MORE of it.

It's legal to download unlicensed music where I live.

People need to become a little more realistic and just embrace the fact that leaks happen inevitably for every single album, so just calm down.  Telling people that leaking and listening to leaks is morally wrong isn't going to do anything or stop them from doing it anyway.  And if anything these leaks have me more excited about the album than ever.  99% of the people on these forums are real GnR fans who will be buying the album no matter what  : ok:

i believe him, no reason not to

Don't leak other songs. I know this plea will be ignored.. but let it be. Im satisfied with three songs. Let Axl do his thing, as its HIS album. It isn't your choice to decide if its "fair" or not... it's not yours. I dont care how long you've waited.

how about no one talks in this thread until songs actually do leak, so i don't feel the need to check it every five minutes. >:(

Finally somone else speaks with some sense. This isnt our stuff to leak, so people just let it be untill Axl decides to put this stuff out.

I won't even waste your time as you've done with mine by posting a thousand studies of how pirating has cost the record companies and artists millions in profit. But needless to say there's just as many contradicting your findings. ?Any moron can google and find something to agree with their twisted logic.


So you showed how wonderful it is to steal music. ?Beyond that, if you've waited this long and plan on buying the album, why listen now and ruin the anticipation. ?How anti climatic would it be to go buy CD when it's released if you've heard every song ?

Why not open xmas presents on Aug 15th ?

I agree with -Jack- here. Maybe more people will start to see his pov

[quote author=chineseblues link=topic=26454.msg479398#msg479398 date=11408483
Were not talking about legal downloads here. Were talking illegal stuff. People who illegally download songs arent as likely to go buy the albums.


As for you fuck you. Unlike you i dont think im owed anything by Axl. Im not going to help people like you spread around this music that shouldnt be out there.? ::)

When did i say i thouht Axl owes me anything other than to show up for a motherfucking concert i paid twice face value for becaue all the fucking tix were goggled up buy ticket brokers and when he cancels, i get face :rant:

If you buy an album, and it doesn't work, and you go to return, and get half the mony you paid for it, what would you expect.......

As for illegal downloads, I read you reviews of the new material.......now how would you have it....

I didn't post the leaks fuckhead......I just listened to them like you......

I got no problem with Axl never releasing another song as long as he lives.........just don't tell me it'll be out in the summer of 2000, or springl of 2003, etc in major music publications like rolling stones....just to have it never appear..........and don't throw a fit if i happen to come across a song online, fee to download by clicking here, that I've been hearing about for over 7 years......out of morbid curiosity...........
 
you want respect....it's earned not given.....you can't rest on you're laurels for 15 years in the real world.....so go play with your axl blowup doll and tell him how you told me

it's funny how you were a fan of his BEFORE he didn't show up at YOUR concert

you still loved him after he fucked over other people.

i have to poop, i have a feeling something good will be posted by the time i come back

i was at philly, and i went there knowing who Axl is and what he might do

I was a fan of his before that, and just because it happened to me, I'm not gonna become a hypocrite and say "now you owe me something!"

This isn't a christmas present. The versions we're hearing here may not be the same.

10 years wait, not six months.

Who commisioned those studies? Get a clue. I guess Harvard University isn't a reliable source for you, but the music industry's privately funded study is.

Apparently, some pretty respected University researchers agree with my "twisted logic."

And you ARE wasting my time, by talking about something you've done ZERO research on.

By "poop", you mean leaking out that prosperous chili you had earlier? ?:hihi:

whats all this jibber jab?n?  release the fuckin leaks!!

I wish my mom woulda let me go to that concert...shame I was 14 and she was a bit overprotective.

oh look at that, another forum trying to gain publicity by posting the links.......

that's funny speedy, my mom wouldn't let me go to gnr/metallica 92 for the same reason, but i bitched about it so much she took me the next year to see GNR in 93

still a fan, i just won't be seeing him in philly :rofl:

I like what i've heard

it was more a response to someone who's like the priest who molests boys and than preaches aginst it

Anyway,I dunno what's going on anymore,fucking crazy shit if you ask me

yeah i feel ya man

not that priest way though

Listening to the leaks not really like opening a Christmas present early.  It's more like if I were in prison for 5 years and I got out, and my buddy who got rich while I was away said "Look, I've got two options for you.  First option is I'll buy you a $500 hooker today and a $1000 hooker in a month.  Second option is I get you a $1500 hooker if you wait a month without getting laid."

I'll take option #1  :hihi:

the only thing I thought Axl owed me was to show up to the show 14000 took there time to go to

At least you only had to wait a year or so for the next concert.
I'm going on 4+ years from the last concert :'(

I wish the leaks would stop, the music is really great, but I dont want to expect a song on CD, I want to hear for the first time as a finished product not a low quality demo.? The songs sound great Better and IRS are insane, and TWAT is one of the more epic GNR songs, but I think it would be 10x better to wait for CD is released before we get anything new.? Now at the same time Axl needs to give a release date and come through on it.? I think the ideal release would be between now and right before Rio.

Another possibility is for Axl to set a release date in stone, advertise CD on gnronline, and put up like 30 sec clips of each song kind of like how circuitcity.com does it, therefore everyone can sample it a bit, but barely just enough.

I love that analogy.......

i had one but not nearly as good or relevant.....

last i saw, there were only 3 leaks, IRS, TWAT, and Better

and while doing some unscientific research, every one thats bitching, whining, and crying about the potential of more leaks, listened to, most likely downloaded, and posted detailed critiques of the songs for anyone who hasn't heard them to see

and in the same breath, got into nasty catfights and called for beheadings to people that would not mind hearing more

Guys calm down ok. Enough of this fighting.

Would you do this is Jarmo was on? Probably not.

Or the other mods.

No so cut the shit out guys.

I have heard that many of the 20 songs from the two CD's that Axl had in his hotel room, then brought to the club Stereo on 2/10/06 have been "compromised". Search limewire for "time" and you will see what I mean.

(From MYGNRFORUM.com)

time as in song or time as in artist?

The leaks are from Crazy Horse Too... which was in 2004

hmmmmm....objective ivy league vs. special interest music industry : ok:

im not seeing anything

If you search for Time all you find is There Was A time, obviously  : ok:

i see a fake there was a time, thats it

maybe it's not there yet ??? i saw that on mygnr too....i dont have limewire though :( and im on linux and am too lazy to install java and limewire and all that crap and play with the network

wait.... now what are those 2 CDs that axl had in his hotel room... where did that info came from?

what is that non-sense trading? why would anyone want a trade? they're gonna get everything in a while anyway?

i'm lost

The owners of the nightclub he bribed to stay open after hours by offering a listening party said he had 2 CDs with 10 songs on each of them, and that everyone was very impressed by how good the music sounded

LEAK IT LEAK IT LEAK IT  :beer: :beer:  :peace:

nothings leaking tonight....

but was it an employee at the club or won of his boys

i've basically given up on this. its stupid.  and i'm sure if i miss any actual leaks then they'll be available tomorrow.

analogy...maybe not the best one....but w/ drinking smartasses it's bound to happen

when you search for gnr and "time" on limewire a mp3 comes up called rare file, but it doesnt play in wmp or vlc player. Any ideas?

what kind of file is it

Its m4a file ?!

ipod/itunes

itunes

same format twat leaked in if i remember correctly

 :yes:

that's for Apple itunes, newest winamp should play it

it's "There was a time"

its wma not mp3 sorry and it requires a licsense that wont install

watch out for a 197.7 kb zip file on limewire

it is a VIRUS

any1 have an nano ipod and know how to organize the osngs so i can go thru them when browsing the ipod and organizing it thank u

strange theres a buttload of songs that have something to do with time that are all 128 bitrate, all m4a files they dont say gnr though, altough they came up when i searched for gnr titles like "time after time" "time in a bottle" and "time to party" :rofl:

prosperity, monstrosity
bringing out the worst in me
such chilling lies
left in my memory

-prosperous chili


What fuck is this lycris ?!

someone who knows the story, explain it to him. im not explaining it again

im off to bed

jameslofton please stop leaking 25 year old elton john tracks

"SOMEONE WANNA TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!??"

Why are you trying to start shit with me? Haven't you insulted enough people here in one night? Dont you have your own forum where you can shit on your own members?

you obviously are not good at taking a joke man  : ok:

You forgot to add the smiley at the end of the sentence. :hihi:

so i'm guessing "more leaks on the way" meant 9 seconds of catcher in the rye and then we will all argue with eachother and 1000 newbs will piss jarmo off

i guess that title was too long

 ;D

lol yeah this is getting old and i'm getting tired. i'll just find it tomorrow if it leaks tonight. so many rumours dont know why i waste my time. we all criticize axl for his hermit lifestyle the past few years but shit, he's caused me to become a hermit...staying up late at nite waiting in anticipation for any news (and now leaks) this is crazy. g'nite all :P

yeah this thread has really slowed down

chris pitman just checked in though guys to liven up the party

(http://www.thenewguns.com/chris.jpg)

I'm not sure if I can hear him.........is he even plugged in?

 :hihi:

hahaha

i was just trying to find something for him to do :)

Seems as if you and Axl have something in common..........

Thats only because pittman has no music of his own to leak.

And I say not to hold back with the leaks.  Let that shit out.

Actually trying to stop the leaks is only helping those that have them.  Means they will be getting more for their "rare stuff"

Leak the whole album of demos actually.  Then when/if the album gets released go buy the motherfucker. If for nothing else but the art work and booklet the CD contains.  They are demos which usually means that there aren't official until they get published, right?  Whats the difference between the Chinese Dem demos and the Illusion demos as far as what's right to collect.  Not much.

Demos just makes me want the official release all that much more.

(this is directed at the whole discussion of the thread and not at you rainx)

Although I will say that it was a bitch move to go and tell Merck.

Oh yeah one more thing.  I see the people that are opposed to the leaks running around talking about how the people that want them leaked feel like Axl owes us something.  I don't think Axl owes me anything excpet for the 3.25 for the Ticketmaster charge that wasn't part of the refund from when he cancelled the second night of the Chicago 92 show. 

I do feel that I owe it to myself to listen to these tracks after all these years though.

i hear yah jemin

how do we even know someone told merck about it?

Go ahead and leak all the fucking demos.  I don't think these will be close to the final versions, anyway.   If they are, the thing isn't worth the wait OR the money (IMHO).

Shoeboy

Chinseblues says he did a few posts back in this thread.

why the fuck do people leak the songs so slowly, like a 10 second clip, or a 32 second clip or a one minute clip then slowly release the rest?

Jarmo should wake up to a nice injunction in his Inbox.

Why did RainX suddenly turn into a guest?

he got banned.

Because they are nerds and need to have the feeling of "power" at any chance they can get..........

I dont' think so.. I think he deleted his own account. We don't ban people for breaking the rules once. /J doesn't seem to be here, and he's the one holding the magic button.

nerds on the internet...

NERDS *ogar yells* :hihi:

Breaking the rules once?? He's been calling people assholes and cock suckers all fucking night.

I thought it was brilliant the way Better leaked. First we could get used to that very strange intro. I really needed to get into that. Took me a while before I started to like it. Then, a bit more of the song and finally another great surprise with the heavy bit in the middle.

Now, I think this 9 second clip was leaked just to prove 'someone'(?) has the song. You can clearly hear it's Axl and the song must be citr, it's probably a line in the chorus or something.

shit Axl has to drop that fuckin' cd

More leaks are underway. Great.

The interesting thing is: I'm losing interest.

Not in the music, I still want to hear it. ?But I lose interest in the hype.
The more leaks appear, the less are the chances for a announcement and
a release date, I think. The logic "now he HAS to do something" get
more and more unbelievable.

With the first date, I thought: Great, the first little stones of an avalanche.
Leaks, announcement, release, tour, hooray.

But now it seems, as if the little stones just keep coming. Demo stones in
inferior quality, that I want to hear, but am not half as keen on as for the
real deal.

It's becoming foreplay WITHOUT sex afterwards. ?:-\

A blowjob is better than nothing though.

where?

where does this someone get the clips from./.. Did he tape axl's last visit to nyc??

I wish the gnr camp were behind the leaks, every damn band let you listen to their songs before the album comes out.. Even though they are demos it' still a good idea to get the word around

Yeah, completely right.

You leakers have to be aware of one thing: These leaks will screw it! They will screw everything we've been waiting for.

It's a good possibility that the whole things woll get kicked if the renmaining songs leak.

How would you feel if you were Axl right now? What is this here? Is this what called itself a "loyal fanbase" over the years? Sure not. It's just sad. I still can't believe this.

People, if it gets canned now, say a big fuckin thank you to the idiots who leaked the songs.


/lastroots

This is all Axl's fault ?. ?Nobody forced him to carry around the CD ?and play it to skanks at strip clubs ?and nightclubs around NYC. What can i say ? the man can't so anything right . ?The thing about all this mess ?is that it isn't going to hurt record sales ?but it is going to take out the element of surprise. I was hoping I would be able to walk into the store ?without knowing what to expect and have the surprise when i put the cd in my player. Instead I will end up buying this album after listening to shitty quality demos ?of every song. ? ? ? ? ? This sucks.

LRs come on you think he is going to scrap his life's work because some people heard unfinished versions of possibly 5 year old demos?

for those of you who know me, you know how I feel about Axl dicking around and cancelling shows and not releasing the album.  I have been frustrated with him and his bullshit for too long....

but I think at this point I can honestly say I feel bad for the guy.  I think it is because I actually see that he has an album that he is going to release.  I have said for the longest time that he would never release this album.  Now that I see what he has done on it and how much I like some of the songs (TWAT is great) I actually sympathize with him.

I am sure he had a big plan on how to release Chinese Democracy to the public and that plan has gone to shit.  I never thought I would say I feel bad for Axl Rose, but right now I really do.  I DO want to hear these new songs, and if they are leaked I will listen to them.... but I cant believe I am saying this, I DON'T WANT THEM LEAKED

not that it will matter what I think.... wow I cant believe I just admitted that.

WHOOOOAAAAAA.... alot of posts are being deleted right now.  This is quite interesting

I dont think the leaks will screw anything really, if anything screws it, it will be sub-par material.

I am glad to hear the leaks as they have disolved this fantasy I had in my head of how unbeleivably fantastic the new material will be.

If this is the best he has got, then it is a good way to soften up the fans by giving them a better idea of what to expect. And really it is only 5 or 6 songs, according to them they have a mountain of material stockpiled. These song titles were touted back in 2000, surely he cant have been working on the same songs all these years, there should be material we have know idea about.

If management dont really seem over-concerned about the leaks, don't anybody else get their knickers in a twist about them and get all moralistic, just enjoy it, fuck sake you might get hit by a bus today. Live life and enjoy what you can, cause most of it sucks.

I agree. I don't have any of those clips and I wish they wouldn't get leaked to the net. I can't really see much of positiveness that the album is getting leaked this way.

rename the files in Itunes so theyre all Guns n' Roses not Axl Rose etc.. as well as album etc..

Don't get me wrong ppl: The first leaks were alright and GOOD. Good for us, to restore our faith, good for the PR, good for Axl, good for the radio stations - therefore good for all sides.

I don't bash anyone for this. Better and TWAT were a good combination for some cheap PR. A cool rocker, a good ballad, but "hey, just demos". That was good.

I'm just annoyed by the spin things begin to take NOW.

The worst thing about it is the fact that people seem to be making money out of it. That might change managements laid back attitude about it.

I was very exciting in the beginning of this buzz , but now it's just boring!
The more songs will be leaked , the less we'll have the chance to hold CD in our hands!

It will be a little disappointing if all of CD is leaked, at the very least, I hope 5 songs are new to us on release day

but in saying that, I think its unreasonable for anyone to expect loyal fans of this band not to listen to the demos

I agree I am bored... It was exciting... The part of the leaks that was exciting was you started thinking wow the album is going to be announced soon, then the tour dates... Now I just feel the entire album could leak and the album still wouldn't be anywhere in sight..

I don't care though if the album leaks because they are demos not the actual album..

if you think about it though, eventually they will release the cd..... in doing that people will get their hands on it before its released, in return IT WILL GET ON THE INTERNET!!! there is nothing anyone can do about it. so its only a matter of time.... :beer:

And THAT is the point that should scare every veteran.  :-\

I dont think that it should scare anyone. its beyond us all. every disk that is released is put on the internet months before it hits the racks at Best Buy. I dont think itll hurt sales at all. people that are going to buy it will buy it regardless.

I dont mean the sales numbers. I mean the time factor. "A matter of time" can take enormous dimensions in the GNR universe, as we all know.

people that are going to buy will, people that are going to steal are going to.. if you are a fan you buy, if not you won't... It's the way life is today with this technology

exactly, so i hope it doesnt affect anything in releasing this very anticipated album!

the thing is the people who are listening tot eh leaks are the people who are going to buy the album.. That is the gnr communities, the links are spreading and being heard by new people because our community spreads these links all over the place asking for opinions or flocking to radio stations.. if we as the gnr community just listened to the demos and left it like that only we would hear them so there'd be no worries since we are all buying it anyways..

I want to hear demos so we can see how much teh songs changed over the years

I sometimes hear twat and wonder if it's a demo

sweet more leaks! :peace:

it always struck me as funny that all the leaks that are appearently circulating are all known or rumoured song titles...

listen these leaks may be like 5 years old, why not enjoy them since htey were possibly just works in progress, WOuldn't you like to hear leaks of demos then experience the finished tracks and see how they evolved?

As long as the finished tracks aren't leaked then I am all for it..

ok i agree with you to a certain extent but i also have a great respect for axl and what he's trying to do, plus i want the whole experience of chinese democracy when it drops. sure i'm curious and these might just be demos, but what if more demos leak and the songs turn up on chinese democracy, only in more polished and maybe slightly different versions? the surprise and awe of the listening experience would be lesser. are you with me?

get off your fucking high horse, who are you, ronald rumsfeld?
fuck leaking, let axl have his momentum!!! :rant:

it's possible, I just know that parts were said to be redone like 5-6 times, so who knows.. I am just enjoying this.. new gnr hasn;'t released one thing yet, I think it's important to do soemthing wacko like leaks to keep fan interest..

they did, Oh My God and Sweet Child O' Mine ;)

yes, when axl feels it's time!!!
stop this stealing!!
are you willing to pay for stolen goods?
this pisses me off!!!!
i'm as curious as the next person but i don't understand why not more of you oppose the leaking of the album we have been waiting for for a decade! :rant:

"so bittersweet this tragedy" :no:

songs people have actually heard... Releasing scom again doesn't count or the forgotten never known oh my god..

I'm talking new material as in albums

people, even if you get access to one or several of the songs, do NOT pay for them!
do NOT support criminals by offering them money for a stolen product axl rose has put his life into making for us!
you hear me? i oppose this! anyone paying for the tracks or offering the tracks for payment should be not only banned from this community but procecuted!

im being sent this i love and strip bar now by a completely unreleted gnr fan who has found the tracks on demonoid. he seems to think they are legitimate and says this i love is splendid but strip bar is very messy production, that it sounds like "they took a razor blade to it".

whats the craic anyone?

Ohh, demonoid is not accepting new uses dude.  Let me know if those tracks are legit or whether they are fake  : ok: .

Thanks. 

This I Love is fake.
Strip Bar is very old recording from 1989 - it's very old recording of Yesterdays and The Garden made by Axl Rose and West Arkeen I think

Cool! Post 'em I love those songs.

have the leaks happened, i cba to go through all the pages.

it was a wrong time for you,
it was a wrong time for me,
it was a wrooonnng time for everyyonee :o

Philspector, I'd like the leek of The Garden please. :D

this is Yesterdaze from Unwanted Illusions bootleg. Unfortunately I don't have The Garden here, only in video and that's too heavy to upload for my 128kbps right now. maybe next week

http://rapidshare.de/files/14105812/09_-_Scrap_Bar_Daze.mp3.html

  Stop leaking u stupid fukhead

Whoever has the audacity to profit from these leaks should be banned IMO. If you choose to download these demos it should be for free.

Watch out or we might get another 5 seconds of a song.? Ohhh Boy.? ?::)? Now I can have 14 seconds instead of 9.... SWEET.

I have no problem with the leaks. I will buy the album anyway. I see the leaks as analogous to going to the CD store and listening to tracks before you buy the CD. But I do have a problem with people who try to profit from the leaks, whether it be selling or trading or whatever. That is wrong. But spreading and sharing leaks to the GNR community does not strike me as wrong, especially since we don't know the circumstances behind the leaks or who did it.

Furthermore, someone a few pages back on this thread, or maybe a different thread but same topic, mentioned it is illegal to be spreading copyrighted material. I am not sure that is technically correct. I would think that a demo is not copyrighted. A song is copyright protected only when it is officially released. I am not a lawyer, but I would doubt that a demo is copyrighted. It is the same as if I write a book. The first  or second drafts of the book are not copyrighted, and the book itself is not copyright protected until it is actually published.

So where are they? My eyes are burning from hanging around my pc all day.

STOP LEAKING SHIT ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure they're gonna be around later tonight (1:53 PM) here....just wait...I'm not really anticipating much.

yah, whenever somebody says a certain night is teh night, it never is, its just usually some random fucking day people didn't expect so much

Absolutely agree on all points except for the trading of the songs. ?I don't mind them being traded it's not a profit really if you are trading for other demos, DVD's, ect. ?In my eyes anyway.

Other than that we agree on all points you brought up.

Well, I'm not a musician, but I know you can copyright rough drafts of a book you're writing. Probably the same for demos as well. If Axl didn't copyright these lyrics yet, then why hasn't some other band topped the charts with one of these songs? I'm assuming its all been copyrighted. which would make buying, and possibly even trading this stuff illegal. letting it flow for free through Pms is perfectly safe and crime free. :hihi:

Are you looking after some toddlers or something?

Some people really need to learn how to control their aggression

I didn't say last night was "the night," someone asked me when and I said HOPEFULLY by the end of the weekend...most likely, that is...but I can't guarantee it since I don't have the songs, it's not up to me. People are trading them right now for other songs and I think once everyone has them they'll all be leaked simultaneously.

What are people trading them for??

Its cool to get a taste and a hear a few songs but why in the hell would u want to hear the entire album before its ready and as Axl intends it?


wait till it comes out, buy it and enjoy the experience properly the way its intended.

I know Catcher, Thyme, Seven, Prostitute, This I Love and a couple others are supposedly being passed around...and we heard a clip from Catcher already, which is legit (obviously). That 10-second clip was a sample extracted from the song by someone attempting a trade, trying to prove to another person that they actually HAD the song by previewing it for them. The other person decided to post it on the forum for some reason.

if only there was more poeple like us D?.im too weak to not listen to em if they do leak but i reeaaalllyyy DONT want any more songs to leak.id rather be in the crowd in dublin when i first hear some new material or maybe at download.

we're not really hearing "the album" since these songs probably have been reworked a zillion times since these recordings were made.

Because it may never come out. Axl is probably waiting for blu ray to go mainstream now. By then he'll decide he's unhappy with a couple songs, he'll fix those then he'll have another one he wants to put on there. Perfectionism is an endless cycle.

Oh, ok, so various people have 1 track and are offering it for another unheard one. (supposedly ;))

I will be in Lisbon......but....I wanna hear this materil I'm really sure that the final album will be some different like that....
but why not a leak from Madagascar and the blues from demo-studio would be great

Yeah Saul but the problem with this is, U listen to these demos and u get USE to the demos.

Think about Madagascar and the Blues, what if these songs are totally different on the album? we are gonna be pissed cause we already have the versions we've heard in our conciousness.

When the album comes out, if the songs have been changed it will compromise the integrity of the song cause after hearing a song a certain way for a long time, people are not gonna be able to easily accept the intended finished product.



Im afraid i won't be strong enough to turn down leaks and with all my heart I honestly do not want to hear anymore. I want to wait.

yeah axl might bash you're head in.

music has always leaked you stupid gimp :confused: :confused: :confused:

I know my music :yes:  :yes: :yes: :yes:

You're right music has always leaked. CD will also leak some weeks before it actually comes out.
BUT NOW NO MORE DEMOS SHOULD LEAK!
If you don't get it now, think about this: If you would have put your work into a project for ten years, and just before it's finished someone destroys it.

If someone leaks the entire album and people DL the entire album that to me means u arent a TRUE GNR FAN.

But would it really matter if you still bought one, or even several copies of the album when it was officially released? Would it still not make you a "true" or "loyal" GN'R fan anymore?

what a bellend you are. :nervous:

leaks dont affect album sales idiot.  :nervous:

I will be the first to download it, and ill buy it also.  :yes:

I know my music :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

 : ok:

I think that i DL it, and put it in safe, for that case if CD never get released  :P

The fact that we still come to GNR message boards ?after 12 yrs of ?no released album ?should be enough to prove that we are true fans . ? And if the album becomes available online ?I am downloading it. ?Axl and GNR management have been dicking us around for yrs. ? What goes around comes around . ? ? ? ? ? ?Come on leakers ?i am waiting. ? ? ?

 ? ?

Serioiusly all this talk of those of us who download/leak/pass around these leaks are not fans or we are hurting the cd. ?Well its BS. ?Ive been a GNR fan since I was 12, im 28, and Ive bought my cd, tickets, t-shirts, tour books, and any damn thing else you can imagine. So dont tell me because Im downloading this stuff that Im not a fan. ?I want to hear this stuff, I want to experience all those feelings I had when listening to Illusions or AFD for the first time. I just want to enjoy some GNR, nothing wrong with that. ?If I wasnt a fan I wouldnt care less, I wouldnt listen or wait or check the news for what 13 years now. ?SO DONT TELL ME IM NOT A FAN. ? All this posturing that youre doing isnt gonna make Axl happy, he doesnt read this shit and if he does do you think hes gonna say O you guys that stuck up for me and said dont download are great I love you please come hang out at my house and stroke my ego. ?For fuk sake get over yourselves. ?

Speaking of leaking cd's. ?I remember when the demos to Audioslaves' first cd leaked. ?You know what Tom Morello said, he said well I wish people wouldnt and I wish they would wait for the cd but it is what it is. The cd will come out in due time. ?AND guess what it did and sold over 5 MILLION COPIES. ?So shut up with its gonna hurt the cd sales crap. ?JUST SHUT UP ALL TOGETHER IF YOU DONT WANT TO LISTEN DONT.

I think you're over reacting here just a tad.  If you choose not to listen to leaks, that is your choice, but telling others NOT to do something that you've already done (listen to leaked songs) is pretty hyprocritical.  Basically, its ok to listen to THREE leaked songs, but not 4 or 5?  Who is anyone on here to tell everyone else how much is too much??

I understand your concerns, but your protests are pretty much futile.  People are going to do what they want to do when it comes to the leaks - and I'm sure EVERYONE on here is going to buy a copy of CD when/if its finally released.

:ok: i'm glad i'm not the only person here with a brain

this whole situation is heading south.

we weren't supposed to get the album like this  :no:

eat shit misterbrownose. please.

that's not true. i dl'd megadeth's last cd 3 months  before it came out, and then bought it the day it came out. i'll do the same with GnR.

hey phrozone!

suck my dick!

peruvians have dicks?

It's pretty simple really. ? ?Download the album first ? ?if it is good ?you buy it ? ? ?If it sucks ?then you don't . ? I am not going to put money in an artist pocket if they release shit. ? This is a way of previewing the album first. ?

you're a racist sack of shit?

you know i love you misterb, come here give me a hug, mark.? :-*? ?:hihi:

nice guy.

The people who are burning every track? If there was no leaks and CD came out tomorrow, they'd just get a copy anyway, either off a mate or they'd download it. so wether they get their copy now or in 6 months or 20 years, axl's still not getting any money. I've got videos (live and fan-made) of maddy and the blues, and I have the leaked Better and TWAT. I don't think I want any more though, because it'll ruin the surprise when CD does eventually hit the shelves (which I will buy)

How the fuck is it that so many people have different songs so that they are able to engage in trading?? ???

Just how have these songs suddenly become available to so many??

And why are so many people fucking moaning about these leaks. Leaking albums before their official release date seems to be the norm these days, and HELLO, THESE ARE ONLY DEMOS.

If you don't care to listen to them, FUCKING DON'T.

^ Ha I love the lne under your avatar!

We have heard enough!! Stop it!!
Look how long the Blues and Madagascar from the 2002 tour held us over, now let the leaks from the past couple of weeks hold us over until Chinese is out! Damn we have 3 amazing demo songs, lets all settle with those and discuss it.
The leaker has done enough he has proved he had a demo.
Come on guys\gals we have waited a damn long time, lets not spoil the surprise of Chinese Democracy.

Blues and Maddy  held us over for about 1 month  .  It's been 4 yrs  and we want more new shit.

if they plan to leak them why are they swapping them around??

I'm pretty sure people are trading a few things over right now.

How so? ?I've been listening to GNR since Appetite came out and if the whole record leaks tonight you can be damn sure I'm downloading every track. ?How does that possibly ruin or destroy Axl's work? ?I'm sick of hearing, "They're demos, the sound is bad, blah, blah, blah". ?I don't care. ?I've got an old bootleg of pre-Appetite demos that sound a whole lot worse than the new songs getting passed around and I still dig each and every song. ?I'll be buying the album the day it comes out, the same as I was before the leaks started. ?If some of you guys don't want to hear it now don't click the links and don't ask for PMs of the tracks. ?It's that simple. ?Stop bashing those that want to hear it now. ?I for one don't need you imposing your views on me. ?It's none of your business if people want to leak it and that people want to hear it. ?Live and let die.

Leak then all !!!

Thanks to the lame ass insults, this one's getting locked because I'm not gonna bother cleaning this thread up.


One more outburst from misterbrownstone or Steel_Angel, and you'll be posting your insults on some other board!



/jarmo