Here Today... Gone To Hell!

PLEASE STOP THE G N' R INSANITY!!!!

Please stop the G&R insanity! Really, it is just stupid at this point!! I am getting emails from people about posts on message boards about things I did NOT say. How can anyone take all this so seriously? One guy asks me at the Manson show if I knew when the CD was coming out and I said no idea "maybe tomorrow, maybe never". Just small talk. I have NO INFO AT ALL and honestly don't care about it until it actually exists! I spoke to Bumblefoot who said the Asian tour was awesome, but he has no news either. It is crazy how things are completely taken out of context and blown up online. Really gets old after a while. I HAVE NO NEWS AT ALL, IF AND WHEN I DO I WILL LET YOU KNOW, BUT PLEASE STOP THIS DUMB SHIT AND OVER-REACTION!!!!

http://www.eddietrunk.com/blogarticle.php?columns_id=966

Well....there ya go. It's uhhh....pretty much what Jarmo's been saying to certain members for sometime now isn't it?

Yep. The end of that disscussion..

Welcome to the GNR fan community Eddie Trunk....  :no:

EDIT: I do wanna say though, thanks for setting the record clear on this one. We hardly ever get that. Thanks for taking the time to do so. =D

these fan sites are burning and they're outta control
,it's not a problem you can stop, it's rock n roll,
suck on that!  :)

Yes. The problem is that Jarmo has been doing that for like a very very looooong time, but some people just doesn't seem to get it.

Thank you Mr Trunk, at least this one rumor is now dead and burried.

Can't wait for the next one ... not ! (Borat style).

Eddie Trunk has had enough.

people, we not to stop pissing eddie off. as we all know he's "high up in the gn'r world" and the more we annoy him requesting info, the more time it will take for cd to come out....

What kind of morons keeps mailing this guy anyway?  :hihi:

i don't think eddie's state of mind will affect the release of CD....

but thanks for clearing the air Eddie!!

You won't stop this from happening, if it wasn't Trunk's words being manipulated it would be somebody else's.
The dude gives himself to much credit.

Its simply because once again after all the hype concerning Guns being on tour again, causing fans to salivate in anticipation of a new record, there is nothingness. Its pretty simple to understand why the hate starts back up and the rumors regarding any release.

I'm not speculating on releases or motives or reasoning for Guns'N'Roses doing things the way they are as it may well be justified but I will say this, they pick shitty times to tour if they are not able to use the forward momentum to their advantage for whatever behind closed doors reasons.
Fans don't get sick of the band but they do get sick of rifting through the shit once message boards are over-run with hate and immaturity so they tend to bail on the 'community' therefore halting the perfect build up and promotion to Chinese Democracy....word of mouth through happy, 'involved' fans.
Consistency is all G'N'R require to succeed and its seems to be timetabling that is the only let down here.
You can't come and go, stop and start and expect your fans not to do the same, whatever your reasoning.
Hold off until you are sure, everyone of these jackasses is a sale, but whether or not their jackass friends buy the album could depend on Guns feeding us enough to word to spread. Seriously, it went from amazing shows last week to album not coming out ever this week.
No matter who is right and who is wrong it is damage, how significant can only be measured by how hungry Axl is I guess.

well i think the underlying message here is, lets just wait for Axl to break the news.

everything else is just rumors and probably most likely bullshit.

woah i'm schocked about this * :no:*

Um... no... the dude doesn't give himself too much credit. GNR "fans" that take what he said out of context and post it in GNR forums do. People who argue about it for days and days on those forums do. Also, people that bother him with a bunch of emails about it do.

LOL.

So, the guy who posted the original message the other day and started all this shit. Ah, does he have anything he wants to say now.

I don't think he really lied.  Maybe he twisted his words a little.  But he basically said that Eddie talked to Ron who had no knowledge on CD, check.  And he thought that CD might not come out, check.  Things just got blown out of proportion, as happens quite often in the GNR community.  He was just speaking off the cuff, interacting with a fan.  Now you wonder why so many people respond, "no comment".

if eddie trunk does not now when its happin,then theres nothin gonna happin for a long time.eddie trunk is very high up in the gnr world.he has been specially brought to rehersals,meets and talks to the band members constantly.trunk said he doesnt care about the album until its exists,thats very strange words coming from him.to me he has been a very big fan and has always had news on band members and the album.maybe he has even given up hope after talking to bumblefoot.

I really don't think he's that high up in the GNR world.  He's just another radio DJ who just happened to have Sebastian Bach on his show last year around the time of the Hammerstein shows.  Since Sebastian is friends with Axl he got him on the show.  Eddie is a fan of the band, but I'd hardly call him an insider.  NOBODY is an insider on Guns N' Roses, and that's the bottom line.  Even when you think you have it all figured out, you really don't.

Well that should stop that silly dude who bumped in to this Trunk fella, who dresses like Axl did 20 years ago starting a storm over nothing, which is what a lot of people do when it comes to GnR!! Fair play on Eddie Trunk for stating this!

Mike

you're exactly right. there was no rumor, just someone posting a comment that trunk made in passing.

not sure why so many people made more of this statement. but its clear that trunk was just giving his OPINION. no one was trying to report it as fact, or that trunk had any inside information. just that like many of us, he now believes it will never be released. ?

even if the original poster twisted trunk's words slightly, it was still perfectly clear that it was trunk's OPINION. and his opinion is as valuable as anyone else's on here.

Christ, what basis is there for this?

If ANYTHING the Eddie Trunk posts should be indicative that we should NOT be over analysing shit and making assumptions.

Eddie didn't know BBF was in the band.  How high up the chain is he?

The whole thing's a fucking farce.  We have a band that gives JUST enough information to keep people interested, a CD that has become an huge enigma, and a fan base that attempts to over analyse things WAY beyond their collective ability.

"Hey Axl wore blue shoes yesterday.  That means Chi Dem comes out in November!!"

You're right.  It was quite clear that it was an opinion.  It's a shame that there are so many that can't grasp difficult concepts like opinions and appearances.

maybe axls not even inside chinese dem, maybe its run by secret government officials  :o

No, no, no....blue was DECEMBER.  ORANGE was November.

Jeesh..

:)  8)  :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: PRICELESS!
HAHAHAHA

Personally, I think its getting a bit late in the year for the release of the album, or even another tour to be organized.

Therefore, the best thing I think the band can do is to continue handling the business and release arrangements surrounding the album for the remainder of the year, and start from scratch in 2008 with a brand new World Tour, and perhaps a brand new album in tow.

Go read page 278 on this message board - the topic is titled What's Next.  You'll see that we've been thinking/speculating/hoping for the same thing since '04. 

The only reason we're closer to a release is because it's 3 years later, but that's about it.  There's no rhyme or reason to anything with this band.

As far as I know, the albums coming out this year haven't even been announced yet.

So how can it be too late?

We don't know what the record companies are releasing in September, October, November or December yet.

It seems like they're taking a break right now. Lots of albums were released in the spring and summer until a few weeks ago. I guess they'll start releasing lots of new albums in September.

Even Billboard lists albums coming out during the first week of September, but nothing past that: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/releases/index.jsp




/jarmo

lol - my bad, sorry.  :)

I'm salivating, but i think it's mainly because I'm chewing a pen

I didnt start any rumors all I said is that Eddie Believes Its probably never coming out!!! thats all I said

This Is True He did say this to me, I have no reason to lie to you guys about this, its not even a big deal that he said it

I'm not one of these guys who start rumors, this isnt even a rumor, eddie just told me his opinion, whats the big deal?

I had ?no Idea that this topic whould be such a big deal

How many Tuesdays are left?

20 i believe : ok:

Foo Fighter's new album is a great example, release date announced a week ago, date Sept. 25th, this week we get the single and album art/pre-order on itunes. These things can happen quickly.

Well, if we take into account what Axl said regarding "2 months of proper promotion" for the album in his letter, then that takes us to the begining of October as far as a release date goes, Jarmo.

At the moment, there is no official single on the airwaves, no music video in rotation, etc.

The band also just survived an earthquake and a typhoon in Japan, so Im sure it goes without saying that all the bandmembers are going to want some down time with their friends and family before they return to business arrangements, or work on the album.

Not to mention that it is still Summer time, so we can only fathom how many executives and managers at Universal are on holidays for the next several weeks, which could also contribute to work on the album being halted, if only temporarily.

For me, its just to quiet to get my hopes up for possible release sometime this Fall, Jarmo.

And as far as touring for the remainder of this year goes, unless the band has keep all their future dates underwraps, there isn't a peep about any upcoming shows out there right now, not to mention that its certainly to late in the year to hope for a multitude of venues to be vacant since concerts booked months ago are already scheduled to go down, as well as hockey and basketball seasons  starting in a few weeks.

In conclusion, and as I said in my original post, I think it would be best if the band didn't stress themselves out over a release this year, or a brand new tour this year, and instead just take their time with everything, and start from scratch in 'O8 with a World Tour in support of a brand new album : ok:

Wow, that sure is alot of assumptions.

this is my favorite...

"The band also just survived an earthquake and a typhoon in Japan, so Im sure it goes without saying that all the bandmembers are going to want some down time"

Are you really sure it goes without saying, I know I'm not so sure.

This?


Nothing about promotion there.





/jarmo

he never said 2 months of promotion : ok:

And what do you think the record company is going to do once they've received the finished album?

Sit on it?

Twiddle their thumbs?

No, of course not.

They're going to promote it.

That is, afterall, how they incite people to purchase albums, let alone, virtually any product.

Your telling me that if your husband, the father of your children went through an earthquake and a typhoon, your not going to want to spend some quality time with them before they head back to the office indefinately?

So no, thats not really an assumption, but rather, a logical conclusion..

You're speaking out of turn. Truth is, you don't know anything about the band, thier loved ones and thier relationships. I choose not to compare them to my own or pressume they are similar... or for that matter how demanding the album's release will be on them.

Guys!    ::) ::) didn't you read what eddie trunk said? PLEASE STOP THE GN'R INSANITY!!!!

I dont know anything about the bandmembers, but it sure wouldn't be a social norm not to worry about someone who went through an earthquake and typhoon, now would it?

I will FURTHER the INSANITY.  :P

You're right, and this argument is pointless.

Hey this thread is supposed to be about me,

First you guys claim i'm starting rumors, and you start bashing me,

But Eddie Did tell me he thinks its probably never coming out

why is everyone ignoring me now

ROFL!!!... you jerk. ;)

I don't think its ever coming out either.  But who really gives a fuck.  It's nothing we can control.  I love the new songs. So fuck it .... as long as they tour, I'll go regardless of a new album or not.  I'm sure we'll eventually get an update at some point and if not then I'm sure we'll all be alright anyway.

Probably because your story was made into something it's not. Which is hardly surprising considering the mentality of certain GN'R fans.




What exactly is it that you know about what's going on at GN'R's record company?

You're making a shitload of assumptions to prove your non-existent point.




/jarmo

And you're avoiding a question (but that's typical)

If promotion doesn't commence once the album has been turned in, or doesn't happen during the 2 months it takes to get the album to the shelves, then what exactly does happen during that 2 month span, Jarmo?

Stop the insanity.......Maybe there will be a new C.D. maybe not. ?Maybe their just waiting for minor details or maybe every thing hinges on MORE COW BELL! ? This thread went from please stop the insanity to just insane.

It definatley needs more cow bell

Look, nowhere did Axl say it takes two months of promotion. You made it up!


I'm sure the promotion department at the record companies are working their asses off on various projects as we speak. That doesn't mean we know anything about it.

Do you honestly think there's gonna be an announcement on gunsnroses.com saying "ok, now we're gonna promote the album for the next two months. Stay tuned!"?



The end of the year isn't two months away. There's plenty of time to release it.




/jarmo

Eddie is not used to this online GNR rumour madness, it seems like he?s shocked :hihi:. Anyways, it?s cool he decided to shut down this rumour.

No, I didn't make that up.

In Axl's letter he talks about how the album deserves "proper promotion" and as you've stated, how "it takes 2 months to get the album to the shelves once it's been handed in."

Yes, I confused the two separate points, and for that I apologize Jarmo, however in doing so, I mistakenly believed that the logical conclusion would be that during the 2 months it takes to get the album on store shelves, promotion would in fact be taking place.

No I don't anticipate that there will be a statement on www.gunsnroses.com stating in plain English that promotion has commenced.

I think that once a single has hit the airwaves, or a video is in rotation, we can faithfully assume that promotion for the release of the album has finally begun.

Take the Harley Davidson ad for Better that never aired for example.

When that surfaced, virtually everyone thought the release of the album was imminent because the creation of such an ad, let alone the release of such an ad, would surely indicate that proper promotion had finally begun.

No, the end of the year isn't 2 months away, but it's less than 5.

If we disregard the 2 months that it takes for the album to hit store shelves, only 3 months remain.

And as I've stressed in virtually every one of my posts in this thread today, if I were in the any of the band member's shoes, I wouldn't stress about the release of the album this year, and instead carry on, as they probably are, with finalizing the other arrangements surrounding the release of the album, and make a fresh start in 2008 with the launch of a tour to coincide with the release of the album

 :)

How can you disregard those two months?

Just because you've handed in the album and have to wait about eight weeks until its release, doesn't mean you have to sit at home and wait.

Two months from now is in October, two months back in time from the end of December is October.

Oh, and we can't even assume it's two months from now since we don't know what's happened since this spring.

There's plenty of time.




I don't understand what you're talking about a fresh start. I'm not sure the calendar is that important. You have to release it after January 1st instead of making that fresh start at the end of 2007? Makes no sense to me.

As far as I'm concerned, the time starts when it's released. Before and after Chinese Democracy. Not because it's January 1st.


Maybe it's wishful thinking on your part?




/jarmo

That's Eddie not being used to it, just think about how Axl feels when he reads crazy and out of control rumors on this forum, or that forum or the other forum. His whereabouts and life are being spewed all over the internet, and 3/4 of it's bullshit  :-\

That's why this site has such a highly esteemed reputation. No bullshit here - but you can't always help what comes out of some people's mouths..................

Yes, I can imagine that :-\

Yeah I've noticed a hell of a lot less here than anywhere else, and it's a good thing too, it's gotta be damn hard to monitor the traffic that goes through here.

Yes, as a member and supporter of this board you have every right to put a stop to any negativity/bitching/whining that enters our community.

Community or cult?

singing
Are you Jarmo?
Are you Jarmo?
Are you Jarmo in disguise?



(Football fans will get it).

Real football, not the American stuff.

You'd have to ask Howard2K about cults. He thinks he is the leader of one.  ::)

Yeah, it's the "I exceed the educational standard of a 12 year old" cult.? Sorry we had to turn you down, maybe next year.

What, it's for 15 years olds then! - too young for me!

You can disregard those 2 months, because they are another 2 months that will more than likely not contain the release of Chinese Democracy.

Id be more than thrilled if the band managed to release the album before the end of 2007, however, since I personally feel that it is getting late in the year for the album to be released, if I were in any of the band member's shoes, instead of stressing over making the deadline of December 31, 2007, I would instead pave the way for the album's release in the new year.

Finalize business arrangements; settle legalities, book venues for the New Year, talk to promoters, etc.

Organize a new tour for the New Year, the list goes on and on.

We have absolutely no way of knowing if this kind of stuff isn't already being looked into, however, seeing as how this year is already more than half over, the band should instead solely focus on everything which can be completed before the end of the year, and launch the album in the new year with an already organized world tour.

In regards to the calendar, as you said, the dates don't really matter.

However, as always, timing is of the absolute essence, and there aint much sand left in the hour glass as far as this year is concerned.

If the album is capable of being released this year, that's absolutely amazing, and I couldn't be more excited.

However, I personally don't think there is enough time for it still to happen.

So I return to my original point.

If Chinese Democracy can't be released this year, finalize and complete everything surrounding the release of Chinese Democracy instead, and release the album in 'O8. 

real football not american football. hahahahahaha that's real football, that's a fairy sport!

You're kidding right?

There's one sport I can think of where the guys dress up in helmets and full armour and tackle each other for seconds at a time.   There's another sport I can think of which is a flowing game for a full 80 minutes with tackling, no helmets and minimal padding.   Don't even start on the "fairy" thing lol. 

But we're getting way off topic...  Sorry.

How many new songs (ones which we haven't heard live or via leak) will the new album have?  I feel like I already heard CD anyway.

12!!


Who knows..  My guess is 6-7. 

I still think CD will never come out as well. Like I stated in a previous thread, Democracy doesn't exist in China and neither does the CD. It's Axl's big f*** off to the establishment. It's a joke and maybe he will release a CD if china adopts democracy but until then....

However, I will still support this band cause I love em! New CD or not! I do wish I could get great downloads of the new songs though.

I love how Stoned says... "Instead of stressing over deadlines"

That made me ROFL... 14 years to release an album, I think Axl got over that whole stressing over deadlines thing sometime in the late nineties. ?:hihi:

Axl is a part of the establishment. He's not trying to fuck them off - he wants to blow thier socks off........and he will!

That's the spirit!
I think cd will come out soon and democracy will exist in china some day tho.

is fuck them off like jacking them off?

Oh Timothy! don't be so crude!

that wasn't crude . I could have compared it to a Mustache ride.........

What exactly do you base that one knowing very well that none of the big albums coming out after September have been announced yet?

How come the record companies are gonna announce a bunch of albums coming out before Christmas? Seems like only you think it's too late.....

Your thinking makes no sense to me considering every year we see a bunch of albums released in the fall.





Sure, but none of those things would suffer because they happened before January 1st.

It's just ridiculous.


Stop the negativity already. It's like you want to be negative for the sake of being negative.

"It's too late! Focus on 2008!  :crying: " What the fuck......

If people were thinking like you, there'd be no new releases between August and December 31st.




Please, enough already.

You know absolutely nothing yet you're the one telling them what they should do.



Are you aware of the fact that last year's shows in North America were announced in September and October?

Check the month we're currently in..... Plenty of time.





Why do I get the feeling I've heard this before?


Do you think that if you repeat it often enough in the same post, we'll start thinking you have a point?






Eh, again?





Wow, now that makes sense. IF it's not out in 2007, release it the next year.

The funny thing is, that can be said about anything!







/jarmo

Your thinking makes no sense to me considering every year we see a bunch of albums released in the fall.

Are you aware of the fact that last year's shows in North America were announced in September and October?



/jarmo

1) Never a Guns N Roses album.

2) And then cancelled in November and December.

I am thinking if we don't hear anything by early October, it won't be out this year. Best guess would be 11-20, 11-27, 12-4 as possible US release dates.

Hey, it's what I've been saying for months now - "If", not "When"  : ok:

I'm hoping for "when", just saying...

I think the promotion will be quick and intense. It's not like this album needs to get hyped any more...

Also, with all the skeptical media (and fans), I think they will only announce it when its 100% sure so it won't get delayed for some reason and have criticis having a blast with it. That would make the promotion faster too, because everything would be asap.

This board is becoming so redundant it makes me fall asleep.

Quoted for truth.

October 16th, 1999: Guns N' Roses To Release Two-CD Live Set -> Live Era '87 - '93 released on November 22, 1999.




Liar.

Some shows were canceled, not the whole tour.

Get your facts straight before you make yourself look like an ass.


Edit: You're banned. Try to get it. We don't want you here, bringbackadler.





/jarmo

Not to be negative, but most of the media didn't make fun of the most recent missed release date. For the most part I think mainstream media has stopped caring about the slipping dates, that joke's old. Nobody cares about anything but a solid date at this point and it would take a single or cover art to arouse intrest at this point.

I saw a lot of negative comments about the non-album in some shows reviews...

Anyways, fair point about the single or cover, but that would be part of the promotion already. :)

Which artists are releasing "big albums" after September, Jarmo?

HBK made a post just a few weeks ago listing artists who supposedly plan on releasing albums in 2008 including U2, Michael Jackson, Radiohead, etc...and even Guns N' Roses.

Hell, I honestly cant think of any "blockbuster" albums still to come this year, maybe you know of a few.


Why would a record company announce an album due out around Christmas ahead of time?

Oh, I don't know..

To promote it perhaps..get some excitement, and suspense going..


I'm not being negative.

It's called expressing an opinion.

If I were "negative" I don't think I would have gone to see my favorite band 7 times last year, now would I?


No, I'm not.

I'm simply stating what Id possibly do if I were in their position.

Ultimately, whatever happens is out of my hands just as much as it's out of yours.

 People! If you are going to express an opinion, please let it be informed!

Then all talk on this matter should stop . Cause none of us are informed enough to have an opinion.

Speak for yourself!  :P

Whats going on here?

This thread is about Eddie Trunk believing its never coming out, thats it, just his opinion

So you have all the info on the album ? you know whats going on behind the curtains?

Hey, I don't think anyone is really bashing you or say you're starting rumors, but your version and Eddie's are way different. You say that he "thinks its probably never coming out."

That's way different than eddie saying: "One guy asks me at the Manson show if I knew when the CD was coming out and I said no idea "maybe tomorrow, maybe never".

Stolat is a GNR insider.   So it claims anyway.

He's probably just scared to get on Axl's bad side, you remember his famous interview last year and how scared he was to ask any questions,

Sorry Eddie but its not a big deal that you told me you dont think its ever coming out

Holy hell  :rofl: :rofl:

If she / he is then I am Roger Rabbit

P.S.   who the hell framed me?

This thread is an example of the "GNR Insanity".  Very entertaining.  GNR fans are a fun breed. 

Even after he clarified what he said to you.... you're still missing the point of it?

That we are , we are a crazy bunch of mother fuckers.

Eddie has be sent to an awkward place because someone has not looked before they have jumped.

An apology to Eddie would be a good place to start for the person in question....but that is up to them.

We live and learn

Are you saying I did something wrong?

From what I've read, alot of folks feel you made something out of nothing by taking what Eddie said out of context.

Eddie told me He thinks its never coming out!!! thats it, no big deal, its nothing. how did i make "something" out of this

Here's what you said:
"Eddie Is high up in the GNR News world and he really believes its never coming out"

That's different from "maybe soon/maybe never" or whatever he recently stated. ? ?Probably just a misunderstanding and an example of why we have to be so careful quoting "famous" people.

Well being in a status that Trunk is in maybe he should have said I have no idea or something along those lines , sorry Eddie but when you are a celebrity the stuff you say will be taken literal.

Who the hell cares if he did or didn't?.

A lot of folks prefer hot dog over burgers.

Now you're just being stupid.   Nobody likes hot dogs more than burgers. 

alright you busted me their.

It's pretty easy to understand really. I think you explained it the best you can.

I really feel at this point that this is one of those "looking for attention" situations.

To be fair, you could have been referring to Stolat.  I bet it likes hot dogs more than burgers. 

Wow!

Talk about a credible source!

Show me where it says GN'R are planning on releasing an album in 2008.


You're falling for somebody's speculation because it proves your speculation to be right.

Two lies don't make it right.....





Foo Fighters?

It's funny. So just because you don't know any big albums coming out, it must mean there's nothing coming out.

Did you know record companies sometimes try to release albums so that they'll sell more?

U2 pushed back one of their albums years ago because they missed a deadline. They were gonna miss the big Christmas sales....



Here's a scenario:

Let's say you're right. Let's say no other albums are released between now and New Year's Eve.

The record industry has nothing to release and GN'R has this little album ready for release. What would you think the record company would do?

Hold it back until 2008 because U2 are waiting until next year to release their new album?






You're opinion is based on negative thinking.

"Not enough time" when one of the biggest sales happen at Christmas time is negative.



Ok, enough already.

You're spamming this board as much as (s)he is.





/jarmo

there's way too many people on this board that email and/or phone every band member, every restaurant where Axl's eaten at,  every person rumored to have been within 100 yards of the studio where Chinese Democracy has been recorded over the past 10 years...etc.....

Hey Lesty, I seem to remember that you have some knowledge in how the retail world works.


Would you say it's too late for a 2007 release?

Would you say there's gonna be plenty of new releases announced, that we don't even know about at this point, as we get closer to Christmas?





/jarmo

I also think it'll never come out. If anybody give me a good reason to believe it will come out, then I'll. 2006 was the year, they missed a good chance to rule the world again. Some chances  only appear once in your life.

Show me where it says GN'R are planning on releasing an album in 2007.


Is that a joke?

The Foo Fighters may have international acclaim, but I would hardly lump them with big sellers such as U2, Radiohead, etc..

If that's the "biggest" forthcoming album you could think of, I truly weep for the music industry.


Did I say that?

No, what I said was that I haven't heard a single mention of any "epic" album on its way to store shelves this Fall.

But hey, according to you, there are people out there on the edge of their chairs anticipating a new Foo Fighters album.. :hihi:


Once again, I never said that.

I said I was unaware of any "blockbuster" albums being released this Fall, and asked you to name a few, and you managed to name a single one.


They would more than likely release Gn'R's new album.

But is that still possible for this year Jarmo?

As I've said, I personally think to much time has already elapsed this year to still make a go of it.


No.

It's based on having been down this road many, many times before, and realizing that with good ol' November lingering on the horizon, time is no longer on our side as far as a release this year goes.

Are you fucking serious?

Did you miss the updates about recording being finished and mixing taking place earlier this year?





Laugh all you want, I answered your question and it was based on a fact. An actual release of an actual album unlike your whole idea which is based on no facts.






I tried to tell you but you're too busy covering your ears and yelling "I'm not listening to you la la la I'm right since I don't have to take any note of what you're saying! La la la!".

We don't know exactly what albums are coming later since it's too early for those announcements.









What do you base that on? Please, tell me!

None of this "I think it's too late".

Tell me exactly why you think it's too late.

Back it up with something other than "I believe".




/jarmo

Even though I've been around Internet message boards for years now, it still always surprises me how petty everything is.  Jarmo and Stoned, you're BOTH saying the same thing back and forth to each other.  Let it go.  Neither of you will convince the other.

Just for the record, my two cents, as if it matters:  Jarmo is right.  Nov. into Dec. is a huge time to release an album.  Big albums come out that time every year.  And since nothing (or almost nothing) has been announced for that time, it's fair to assume that someone big will release an album then (I'm NOT saying GNR).  ...We know it's not Metallica, and I have my doubts on U2, but it's hard to say.  And, Stoned, I don't know where you live, but Foo Fighters *are* very big.  They killed at Live Earth.  I'd take them over Radiohead any day.  But that's me.

However, I don't feel Stoned should be crucified for believing the album won't be out this year.  There's no reason to believe it will be, just hope.  And hope wears thin eventually.  Will the album be out someday, I hope so.  But I won't say a definate 'yes.'

I don't really care if the damn thing comes out this year or not. I just want to know who will get the blame for it not? "if  it doesn't."

Merck got it last year . who is up on the chopping block this year?

If they dont give a date, why would anybody be???

THeir wasn't a date last year but the somebody did.

You're right last year had the "21 Tuesday Guarantee!!"

Right which wasn't a date.

No, I didn't.

I must have missed the update where a release date for this year was given though..


I laugh because for your past couple posts you've been going on and on about how record companies are yet to unveil which "big" albums are still yet to come this year, and the best you can muster is a measly Foo Fighters album..


That's right.

But wait...

Just a few days ago, it was announced that Led Zeppelin are putting out not one, but two new packages November 13th I believe the date was.

That's 3 months notice, but wait..

According to you:




Ok.

Well, seeing as how the band just wrapped up a tour, perhaps we can assume that they'll want to unwind a bit, relax with family, and enjoy the remainder of summer before getting back to the business at hand as far as the album is concerned.

Who wants to work when its a gorgeous summer day out?

That takes us up to say the end of August, beginning of September.

Now let's say that all is not done as far as the album goes, whether it be mixing and mastering, or just simple business arrangements.

That'll surely take a few weeks to finalize leading us to the middle or end of September.

Now taking Axl's own words into consideration, if "it takes approximately 2 months from the time the album is handed in until it hits store shelves" then from the middle/end of September, we're looking a potential middle/end of November release.

When you then take into consideration all the things that can't be predicted such as illnesses, vacations, availability of space, etc, our middle/end of November release date might be just a tad hard to reach.

Say you need Joe Blow's signature to finalize something pertaining to the album's release but he's seriously ill or away on holidays until the New Year.

Well then...things are gunna' start to fall behind.

That's why I've suggested that if I were in the band member's shoes, I wouldn't be stressed by finding a way to still get the album out this year, and would instead look to the New Year as the perfect time to launch the album, and perhaps a tour in support of it.

With the difficulty of actually getting the album out by the end of the year removed, the remaining months of this year could instead be spent finalizing all the business negotiations and unresolved legalities that could potentially be holding up the release of the album as we speak.

I know.. Which is why I told you you were right  ::)

I know . Just making' sure all the slow people got that.  ::)

So do YOU got it?

Im Canadian, and while not speaking on behalf of every Canadian, at least where Im from, the Foo Fighters aren't big at all.

OK, this is hard, because I actually agree with you that it's highly unlikely we'll see the album this year. ?However, I'm not trying to back up my assumption with anything. ?I just don't think it will happen. ?

But too much of your theory relies on illnesses, vacations, and just not wanting to work on a "nice summer day." ?...Seriously? ?You think GNR members are such slackers that they'd rather go to the beach than put finishing touches on the album? ?OK.

Regarding Foo Fighters:  OK, just curious.

do you?

I only told you twice? :rofl:

Once again, your logic is: If there's no release date, it's coming out in 2008.

I guess that goes for all the albums...... Maybe movies too?  :o




Question: Didn't I explain why?

There's even an example of us not knowing about a GN'R release later in the year from the past. Live Era was announced a month in advance. In OCTOBER and it came out in NOVEMBER 1999.





Led Zeppelin?

I guess they're one of those small indie bands nobody knows of. I thought you didn't know of any big releases coming this year....


Would you be surprised if some other big bands besides Led Zeppelin release albums this year?

By your logic, it's too late now....  :hihi:





Ok, now you posted the reasons why. Good.

Just one big problem with what you said:

But is it possible for the band members to relax. spend time at home with their families while the record's release is still being worked on?

Does the whole process halt because Bumblefoot is at home testing hot sauce?




/jarmo

When did Led Zeppelin become a bi band?

I can already tell you all the movies coming out this year Jarmo. All the big ones have a locked date .EHll I can even tell you for next year just about.

Is it September when the list of Universals releases for the rest of the year comes out? If GNR aren't on that list it seems highly unlikely we'll get CD in 07.

Nobody would have any reason to doubt that Chi Dem was coming out this Nov would they? 

It's not as if EVERY November for the last few years we've had strong rumours about it.

I work with a couple diehard GNR fans like myself and we have all resigned ourselves to the fact this album most likely is never going to see the light of day. ?If it does, I don't think anyone is betting on this year; that's for sure. ?Funny enough, we aren't really that pisse doff anymore - we just aren't waiting anymore. ?The sad thing is we aren't that excited about it either - I'm sure that will change if a release date is ever given, but the luster and "buzz" has died down a lot since last year and even this past March. ?Whether Merkc was a scapegoat or not, that would have worked if Axl had been able to hit his ETA of March. ?Who knows if this didn't happen because of Axl or because of the label. ?Even better, who really cares? ?For now we just drop by this forum every day or every few days to see if there is any big headline that says "CD RELEASE DATE ANNOUNCED". ?All the other posts here are just entertaining once in awhile to pass the time. ?I'm sure GNR can create a buzz again (and probably will if & when they hit North America later this year) but the camp needs to realize the perfect timing isn't like Haley's comet as in once every eighty some years, but it just doesn't feel the same as it woul dhave if it had been late last year or early this year. ?We all agree we'll take it anytime we can get it, but a tiny tiny part just seems sort of bittersweet now. ?My two cents worth. ? :peace:

No.

I never once said that.

However, if this year is unlikely, logic would seem to indicate that next year might be the year.


And how well did that work out Jarmo?

If memory serves me correctly, Live Era is the poorest selling album/compilation Gn'R have ever released.

Perhaps ?the short notice and lack of promotion played a role on how it didn't make a splash in the least as far as sales are concerned.


I hardly call two greatest hits packages "big releases."


Not at all.

Any idea who some of these "big bands" might be Jarmo?

(besides the Foo Fighters :hihi:)


Of course it is.

I seriously doubt all of the band members physically being in the studio or office where plans for the album's release are being organized either speeds up, or slows down the release of the album.

Ultimately, the album is capable of being released this year or its not.

Hot sauce or no hot sauce.. :hihi:

This argument confuses me.  No, he doesn't know who those big bands are, because THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ANNOUNCED YET.  Just like Chi Dem's release date hasn't been announced "yet."  Because, as Jarmo has been saying, there's still plenty of time for those announcements to be made.  So how does this argument benefit you?

Apparently, what makes it unlikely is the nice summer weather.


Now correct me if I'm wrong, but summer happens every year. Right?

How come artists and record companies have managed to get stuff released all those other years even though there were nice sunny days when you'd rather stay at home and spend time with your family?








Don't change the subject.

I once again proved that it's not too late.








What I consider big might make you laugh because they don't sell in Canada.

I'm pretty sure there'll be big albums out before Christmas.

Seems like hip hop artists I've never heard of go multi platinum....






Ok, so you don't think the reason you gave for the delay would actually delay the album's release.

As I suspected.


Thank you.




/jarmo

I think we can all agree that it's August and the odds are against a release this year - which, again, isn't bad but just a fact.  Could it happen?  Absolutely.  Everyone is grown up here and has learned not to hold their breath for a release date. 

If it happens, it will happen when it happens. 

It's just become a simple case of the boy who cried wolf at this point.  In Axl's defense he hasn't told us any dates since last year when he said March so at this point I can't really say I feel led on.  If you keep going back to the girl who cheats on you every time and every time your heart gets broken its your own fault if you don't learn. 

After all, they say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome.   ;)

No, what makes it unlikely is the fact that its nearing the middle of August, and we haven't heard a peep to confirm the release of a single, much less, that the album has finally been handed into the label.


With what?

So what if Live Era only had one months notice.

As I said, the lack of notice/promotion may be the very reason why it bombed on the charts.


For all we know, there could be.

I'm unaware of any though.

Like I said before, U2, Radiohead, Metallica, etc are all looking at next year as a good year to drop their "big albums."


I gave many reasons for what could potentially delay the album from being released this year, you chose to look at and ask me about only one.

Bumblefoot, etc being around doesn't help a legality get straightened out, or get Joe Blow's signature any quicker now does it?

All of the band members being together might speed up the release process, or it might not.

It certainly doesn't change the fact that time is running out.

Thank you Mr Record Company Executive.







How well do you know your GN'R history?

Do you see anything that would make 2007 different from 1999?

Anything at all? Maybe something has happened in the past year that didn't take place in 1999?

Maybe like some tour?






Could it be because they can't get them out in 2007 so it makes sense to release them when they're actually done?

Like I said before, if all the big bands are waiting until next year, there's more potential customers.

Elvis is also not releasing an album in 2007.

For the same reason, he can't finish the album....






Oh please.



/jarmo

Jarmo and stoned both have points But hell none of us know what is going on . So lets stop with the whole I know more then you bull shit. Truth is we all no jack and shit right now. Maybe the album will be out this year maybe it want. Maybe Axl will blame some other person on the payroll for it not being released maybe he want.

Anything could happen .

I am?

Or you just don't like the fact that I don't share the same view on things as some of you? Who think everything is just fucked up when we just had an amazing tour and the band is sounding better than ever.



Absolutely nothing tells me the year is over in fucking August. Absolutely nothing.

Yet you have a problem with me thinking that.

Now, if you think the year is over, log out and come back January 1st.  : ok:





/jarmo

Now "This" I love... you tell'em Jarmo

No problem, Mr. Message Board Administrator :D


A tour still doesn't validate how a rushed release and lack of promotion ala Live Era would do Chinese Democracy any good in this day and age.


If Gn'R cant get Chinese Democracy out in 2007, wouldn't it make sense to release it when it actually can be released?

Say next year?


More potential customers for Chinese Democracy too, no?

ANd you don't like the fact that not everyone has the same view as you do.That door does swing both ways,sir.

Last I heard no one that is in the know"Axl"is saying  that it's this year for sure either.Hasn't been stated to be one way or the other yet. 

Hell If thought this year was over it would be January first in my bizzaro world. Now wouldn't it?

Yes the band toured a little this year. Great for them and the fans who got to see those show.Now weather they sounded better then ever is an opinion.

Seriously...

Anything could happen, and as jarmo stated, the year is far from over.

So why further discuss it? It's not even relevant to the subject.

I wouldn't say the year is far from over with it being more then half done.

I'd say that it's the same thing... :hihi:

Five months is a long time, whether it's music related or not.

when the hell did the year calender go to 13 months???

I'd say that I'm glad GnR is active and touring, that I love what I've heard of the new songs, and that, as soon as the album comes out, I'll buy it and be happier than I've been in a long, long time.

More than that simply isn't worth arguing about.

Four months and twentyfour days, happy? :hihi:

That's probably wrong either way...

yes I am ecstatic now . The pure joy running threw my veins right now is indescribable : ok:.

hey ya'll....

did axl ever mention that march 6 was supposed to happen in 2007....how do we know he didn't mean 2008, or 2010, or 2020.....

catch my drift niggaz?

Oh so you're saying an active band is not a plus when you release an album?





Haha.

That's logical.

But where your whole point fails, is that you fail to realize it's not impossible to get it out in 2007.


You say it is and that is your proof that it should be out in 2008. You have no proof, all you keep doing is repeating your summer and holiday shit.

Just drop it already.





Example: If you have five bands fighting to get you to spend that $10 on their cd or if there's only one album you want that month, which is better?


Your whole idea is ridiculous. I'm starting to think you only post it to be funny.

Let's see... In short you want the album out in 2008 because the band needs a break and because EVERYBODY else (that competes with GN'R for your record buying dollars) are releasing albums then.

Yeah, that makes sense.  ::)


Didn't you use to be called something else and now you're "Stoned"?

That might explain this "theory"....




If there's one thing I don't like it's people who come here to go on and on about how everything sucks.

Now this guy is saying the year is over because it's sunny outside.


Fuck that!

It just started as far as I'm concerned.

I've never seen August as the end of the year. Last year this time the European tour had just ended. I wouldn't be surprised if some of you were saying things were gonna be quiet for the rest of the year then too.

Look what we got after that. A North American tour.





As I said, if the world really is that dark for you, log out.

We don't need your doomsday bullshit here.


Edit: My biggest issue with this thread is the stupidity of this "theory/assumption". It's sunny so the band needs to relax, therefore it's better to release the album next year, which happens to be when everybody else fighting for the album buyers' money are releasing albums because the haven't finished recording their albums yet. Also, the fact that band members are taking a break doesn't stop the process. Several things can be taken care of without the band being physically present.

In my world, that kind of logic does not exist. I'm sorry, maybe if I started smoking something I would think it's a great fucking idea.


/jarmo

lol.
it's funny how you changed your tune from... "everybody who doubts a 2006 release is a hater" to.... "its not impossible to get it out in 2007" :hihi:

In contrast to your: "Whine, whine, whine" tune?  :hihi:

2006 was the plan, I'll be happy to admit I believed it at the time.






/jarmo

I seriously doubt any release this year, mostly because there have been no updates since the end of the tour, not even from before the tour.
And, seriously, come on? Believing anyone about CD who is not Axl is ridiculous, and even he can't be trusted....March 2007 anyone?

No updates = no release?

Well, we got some updates last year, that must mean... Oh wait.





/jarmo

what can I say. whining is a way of life.
besides, I've been optimistic long enough.


and as mr George Bush would say.... ;
"There's an old saying in Tennessee ? I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee ? that says, fool me once, shame on ? shame on you. Fool me ? you can't get fooled again."

hence the "whine, whine, whine" tune.


http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushvideos/v/bushfoolme.htm

And we didn't the year before and the year before .  So that must mean ......oh wait .

It's funny how we haven't banned you yet for being a moron.

Thanks for proving my point.

Talk about looking for a needle in a hay stack.

If you think the lack of updates last month means there's no way the album is coming out in 2007, then congratulations!

Do you also do fortune telling at the fairgrounds?






Unlike you, I don't consider myself fooled. It wasn't released in 2006, we could read why in Axl's letter.
 
I don't take it personally enough to start holding a fucking grudge against the band.... A grudge that makes me think that everything sucks. Something that makes me tell others who are still excited about the tour that the year is over.



There's one thing I'm not optimistic about. This kind of people will never be happy with GN'R. They might be happy for five seconds, then they forget about it and find something else to whine about.

Some of these people like the saying "Well, I give credit when credit is due". The band just finished a tour in a time when your kind seems to secretly wish for riots and canceled shows.

They just go silent. I mean, it's not cool to give credit. Some of the cool kids might think you're an ass kisser and not a "free objective mind" if you do!



/jarmo

yes I do want me to tell you , yours?

Your welcome by the way.

why is anyone still talking about this.

it sucks to check the site and this stupid thread is still the no. one topic. I wish there was something real to talk about around here.

Well thanks for just bring back the attention, fucker. ::) :rant:  :P

the fool me part wasnt about the album. I'm used to it not being around. I'm talking about the previous non events.
and I dont hold a grudge against the band. I'm still a fan as much as I was in 2000 (well maybe a little bit less because Huge left :D - what can I say... I'm a "Huge fan of Huge"), but I do get disappointed. and disappointments are what "hurts" the most.
I dont wish for riots or canceled shows. God knows I've had enough of those

I give credit when credit is due, and I do sing praises, but what's the point in me posting a "Well done" post in a 34934 post thread? I like to make constructive comments, sometimes sarcastic, even if it means I have to read lame replies like the last one by AdZ (you dude should really start to pick on someone of your size.... you are way much of a noob for me to give a crap about a thing you have to say)

 :'(

Dude, your comments aren't constructive or even sarcasitc.

You're just a callous asshole.

You're not big or clever in anyway, you've been typing this shit for ages, and now it's just boring.
We're all sick of it.

The 'noob' thing?
-Noone gives a fuck.

Given that we're nine pages in, I thought it would be a good time to focus on why exactly this thread exists.? Or perhaps, given what the discussion has degenerated into, why this thread should no longer exist...if nothing else, perhaps the "PLEASE STOP THIS DUMB SHIT" part has some value in the here and now...? ? :beer:

Uh, Guns N' Roses weren't an active band back in 1999?

That's funny.

I could have sworn I heard "Oh My God" during the film "End of Days" that very year.


Not impossible.

The odds of it happening worsen with every passing day though.


And you have no proof of a 2007 release.

Ironic?


As much as I support the band taking a break, what I've essentially been stressing all along is that if a 2007 release is unlikely, as I believe it to be, or if that slowly becomes the "obvious" case as we continue to advance through the year 2007, if I were in a deciding role, I would focus all my energy instead on making a 2008 a definite possibility.

How would you go about doing that you might ask?

Well, to accomplish that, I would probably devote all my energy for the remainder of this year into not letting a plausible 2008 release slip through my fingers, which would entail finalizing every detail surrounding the release of this album before the end of the year.

In a nutshell, if its too hard, or exasperating to make this year still work; relax, and get all your ducks in a row for a definite release in the New Year.


That was never been part of my position..

You stated numerous times now how there are "plenty of big albums" still to come before the end of this year, and that's where I brought up how I didn't believe that to be so, given the list of artists who are already planning on dropping new albums in the New Year.

You're just arguing to argue!! He never said there would be a 2007 release, his point was that you shouldn't be so sure of yourself.

Holy shit! Axl said that he wouldn't put the album out without PROPER PROMOTION.

It's very simple to calculate:
NO PROMOTION + NO SINGLE=NO FUCKIN' ALBUM

Then why are we asking ourselves and holding all this intense discussion about it? :drool:

I second this.


This also.  Reading all this fucking childish bickering is entertaining, of course, and I know it's what message boards were created for (and God knows there's nothing else to talk about), but after a while... c'mon.  Two or three pages ago I remarked that Jarmo and Stoned were just saying the same things back and forth to each other.  How many days will this keep up?

...And frankly, I'm a little afraid to be typing this, because I know how well criticism is received around here.

i have the feeling the gaffer knows something.he seems very confident in all his posts on this thread that there is plenty of time left this year. :rofl:

Don't worry about that, I even believed 2002 was the time! You know: Asian, European and North American tour, MTV Awards, ...
I also felt like 1999 could have been the year (End of Days soundtrack) or 2001 (Rock In Rio III). Same for 2006. Shows how stupid I am!

Now I don't think the album will be released this year anymore, I only hope so.

See, it's not a pattern. It's not like "if it happened that way once, it will be the same now". That's bullshit.

Just think:

- we had the recording done and the mixing (started several months ago) before?

- did they stopped a tour without any other date in advance (not even a concrete rumor) for the rest of the year?

- did they do this whole thing after Axl himself stated a tentative release date (which means it was already close to being release)?

For God's sake, stop the "oh, this happened in 2002/1999/2004/whatever" whining. They are not doing their work in patterns.

Jarmo.. the reason people get annoyed is we know you are as desperate for CD as much as we are. And you know fine well the attitude of the band towards us fans is unacceptable.

Bands are businesses that require fans time and money to fuel their lifestyles and pay the bills that afford them tours and time in the studio.

But GnR treat us fans like crap.

Rock & Roll is a pretty tough business.

anyone care to speculate on what the hold up really is?  recording is finished already, we know that.  i don't buy in to the "axl is a perfectionist" theory - he's had enough time.  the bullshit surrounding the merck problems is resolved already.  seriously, any other band could've released 3-5 records in this timeframe.  i understand all the different members causes delays, but this lineup has been together far too long to not have a record out.  the wait is getting old.  late last year i was so excited - it was the best i felt about gnr since uyi came out, only to get let down again.  now, i refuse to beleive any rumors or announcements.  everyone here speculates on this and that, when the reality is our chains are getting pulled every day by a reclusive band led by someone who doesn't care a bit about his fan base.  cd is not coming out!  face it.

Did some leaks come out last year? That could be a reason.

Stoned is getting on my nerves... whether you think all or any of these are BIG releases is of no concern to me... however anyone and everyone who knows anything about music will understand that there are some huge albums in here includidng Kanye West, 50 Cent, REM, Radiohead, U2, Micheal Jackson and many, many more.

NO DATES BEYOND OCTOBER HAVE BEEN SET YET, THAT IS THE BIG XMAS SEASON WHEN THE BIG GUNS COME OUT

Big Releases still to come in 2007:

4 September - 50 Cent

11 September - Black Francis (Pixies)

18 September - James Blunt

24 September - PJ Harvey

25 September - Foo Fighters

23 October - Alicia Keys

30 October - Backstreet Boys

30 October - Puscifier (Maynard from Tool Solo Debut)

Future 2007 Releases

RADIOHEAD

U2

Kanye West

The Vines

Scott Weiland

REM

Aerosmith

Ryan Adams Box Set

Black Eyed Peas

The Breeders (ex-Pixies)

The Cure

Def Leppard

Peter Gabriel

Gnarls Barkley

Michael Jackson

LL Cool J

Jennifer Lopez

Courtney Love

Portishead

How do we know that?  Are you just making assumptions?

I'm pretty sure the "hold up" is that the mixing is still going on.   Mixing is not a definite science.  It doesn't take 3-5 weeks or something like that.  It can take as long as it takes, and given the complexities of the new songs and what we've heard from the band members, it does not surprise me at all that it would take a long time.

I've been working on mixing one single song for the last seven months, and I've just barely started recording the vocals.

axl doesn't owe you anything..geez. he's a true artist and he wants the record to be perfect... get on board or fuck off.. you're probably one of those "fans" that likes to complain and come here talking about a "reunuion" and if thats the case...well...you know

guns are active now and you should be a fan.. they've toured......... I thought that meant something to you

That's what really amazes me I.K.N.K.N -

I really didn't think that some people were SO SELFISH!   :-\

the only thing he might owe us is an explanation when march 6 came and went.  i am very happy they toured but i think he could have used this platform to at least give some updates - but again we're left in the dark.  why even give a tentative date if you're not going to follow up in any way (album or announcement).  as far as we know, no work is being done on the album.  i hope i'm wrong, but i think the band is sitting back counting their $$$ they made on the tour - not working ont he long awaited cd.

The tour should have spoken for itself.

Just to Quote Axl "If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date, and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible". Still waiting for that update  ;D

When he has a firm date he'll let this site know!

He's not going to use the word tentative again....

He shouldn't have used it the first time! :-\

Funny, that you remember 1999 so well but 2006 and 2007 are a distant memory.

Drugs are bad....





You mean the fact that recording is finished wouldn't point in that direction?

The ironic thing is that you keep arguing with no proof and nothing even hinting at you being right other than "it's sunny", "they need a holiday" and "everybody else is releasing albums in 2008".






A lot of IFs backed up by nothing...




You just skipped the part about how every year there's a bunch of albums released in time for Christmas.

It's one of the seasons for record releases.

It's logical to release albums that are ready for release then.

But you just want to enjoy the sun and wait until everybody else's albums are ready....  :rofl:





Whoa. What a bunch of bullshit.

Just because you're used to bands doing what you want them to, and GN'R are different, you get offended and confused. "What's this? They can't do this to me! I'm a fan!  :crying: "




/jarmo

Hey Jarmo, don't know if you saw, but the very examples of what nimrod calls big releases "Radiohead and U2" actually have releases in 2007. So, though he thinks the Foos are small time, I think he may have a harder time arguing Micheal Jackson, U2 and Radiohead. To suppport this point (and your point) even more... the release dates have yet to be firmed outside of a solid 2007 release. Thus, how are these bands any different that GN'R at this point.

Anyway, Jarmo I'm with you on all the points you made in this thread.

To date it still amazes me how level headed you are. Better you than me bud dealing with these boards. Talk about thankless, well not true I guess, at least? the band recognizes all your hard work... what more could you ask for.? : ok:

I saw the list.

Thanks for digging it up.





/jarmo

If you feel so cheated and that you're been treated like shit, then don't be a fan.

Personally, I felt like I had been rewarded when I saw them live.

I hate to belabor the point on this (since we've discussed it ad nauseum in older threads), but...

read the bold part.  Read it again.  One more time.

To me, that means, if it's delayed, when they have a new date, they'll let us know ASAP.  If they have no new date, no notification.

It did not say "If there is a delay, we'll let you know about the delay ASAP, give you another date, possibly delay that, give you yet another date, and then release the album RIGHT after that notification".

I dont understand something. If so many of you are upset and disappointed in "the band" and since you all "know" the cd will never be released why in the hell are you posting on a fan site for the band?

And if the cd doesnt come out this year who the hell cares. it's only a cd. the world will go on, your lives will continue. music is a form of entertainment. in 2006 we got some fucking great concerts. i know i was at 4 of them and saw many more on dvd. we also got the leaks. and hopefully one day we will get an album.

thats such a good question.   so many people thrive on spending their spare time bitching on guns n roses fan boards.   how bitter can someone get?   fuck.

You defend this band to the hilt regardless of their actions. Its laughable and spineless.

In about 10 years of surfing the net and being a member of various guitar, music, and sport forums, I can honeslty say Ive never met anyone so negative, condecending, arrogant, and obnoxious.

If you have a problem with peoples posts just delete them. Dont rise to the bait and lower yourself into these petty slagging matches. The language you use is pathetic too. Constantly telling people to fuck off etc.

*yawns*

In trailer Park Boy fashion... mispronunciation included

By the powers invested by me I here-by declare this "Get on Board or Fuck-Off Day"!

By the way, since this whole Bubbles thing went down I have bought all 6 seasons, X-Mas special and Movie of the Trailer Park boys. I am now officially obsessed. Season 4 is truely genious.

I couldn't dissagree more. Check out some unofficial boards for Weezer, Modest Mouse, Smashing Pumpkins, Nada Surf etc. Pornography, Spam, constant bullshit. Seriously you need to compare apples to apples. An official Killers forum can not be fairly compared to this board for example.

Check this out...

http://weezernation.com/bboard/viewtopic.php?t=195839

Oh my! Even Michael Jackson is set to release something...  :o I think it's time for a certain redhead to wake up.  :drool:

These lists are not as reliable as some may think. I don' t even know why Aerosmith is on there as they are not scheduled for releasing anything until early 2008 the earliest to the best of my knowledge.

I'm negative because I refuse to let the negative idiots run the board?

Ok...  ::)



Go back to bed.

Youre obviously tired from being treated like crap by the band.  :rofl:





/jarmo

That was funny! ;D

and the us tour just started a few weeks ago. wow a band touring without an new album. does that sound fimilar people.

Hey dipshit, Radiohead's album has no known release date yet much alike U2's, let alone a title, so how you interpret either as being out this year is beyond me.

Work on Michael Jackson's new album has been very tedious, and so far the only date getting thrown around is November 19th, however, virtually everyone in his party has been saying since day one that it? very well may surface in '08..

Album releases this year or next was a very, very small part of my original point, yet something you decided since yesterday to get your panties in a bunch over..not my problem :-\



Come on now, that list is just sad.

Backstreet Boys??

Come on...

This isn't the mid-90's anymore.

Sure it will sell, but not like hotcakes.


Some high profile acts listed there, yet nothing that makes me foam at the mouth in anticipation..

No it wasn't.

Don't try to change history. Your theory was based on the summer holiday season and the fact that no big bands are going to release albums in 2007 and therefore GN'R shouldn't either.





/jarmo

The more Jarmo continues these arguments the more I believe we will see a release this year. ?:peace:


If people consider the word of so called"GN'R insiders" to have any value, be it the garbage man or a radio host etc... -
surely if Jarmo says that there is nothing to suggest that the record wont be coming out this year , then people should take that on board before despairing.

I consider it rather weighty information personally :D

I could see the point in despairing if, a year from today, nothing else had happened since the japan shows, but not now.
Didnt they just finish a tour the other week? ???

People seemed to have more hope and belief through the long years of silence and inactivity, than they do now after such an eventful year and a half.

I have my doubts and suspicions, who wouldnt after so long? But looking at the recent history it seems pretty obvious that something is on the horizon, so mabye people should have a little more patience. One thing GN'R fans should be good at... is waiting.

Im afraid your mistaken Jarmo.


Never once did I say that a reason for Gn'R to not release the album is because of the lack of huge albums still remaining this year.

You mentioned how I was incorrect in saying that as far as I know, the end of this year was going to be quiet as far as "epic" releases were concerned.

Thats where I asked for examples.

Nothing more, nothing less.

 :hihi: he caled me dipship... everyone see's thru your silly end of year release argument, then when we prove it you crawfish and act like it has no bearing. Typical, I'm guessing you were probably pretty low ranking on the debate team roster.

...anyway moving on to something interesting, I gave up my 666 post count for you. You should be honored.

By the way Jarmo, how is it I get another -1 Karma for calling Oh My Choking Soul a dipshit in response to him calling me a nimrod, yet he gets nothing?

Is it because he's defended you up and down in this thread, and therefore any mistake goes overlooked?

Pretty hypocritical...

What the heck is a "dipship?"


Whose we?

As far as I know, I was having a discussion with Jarmo, one which you insisted upon entering.

Good point. I don't know what a dipship is. I am an idiot. Honestly, I am an Architect, you can expect many more spelling mistakes from me in the future.

Funny you never struck me as someone who cares about -karma.

I appreciate the work Jarmo does here. I do disagree with him at times, that's normal.

What I am defending is a valid point, one he is trying to make. To be honest you strike me as being defensive, and in this matter, a little irrational.

I don't when it's deserved.

When there is blatant hypocrisy at play when it comes to the - karma system though, thats when it gets to be a bit much.

You called me a "nimrod" and I retaliated.

Do you honestly feel you did no wrong, and think that I alone deserve - karma? ???

Honestly, it's not my decision. If Jarmo sees fit to give me negative karma, it changes nothing, including my opinion of him. Seriously, I wouldn't spend too much time thinking about karma. Maybe you are like Axl... a bad-boy. Axl would definately have -karma.  :P

That's not what I honestly asked you, now is it? ;)

Nice post OLORIN. : ok:

How could I forget 2006?

I saw my favorite band 7 times, met Bumblefoot, shook hands with Axl when I was front row in Detroit...

Id say those are memories I'll have until the day I die :)

There is still less than 5 months to go in '07, so its not a distant memory quite yet ;)


I suppose if mixing and mastering are also complete, it certainly would.


Yeah...

Not every Christmas season comes bearing "big albums" though.

Hell, I cant even think of one from last year, let alone a single album I rushed out to purchase last Christmas season..

What the hell?

To recap what I went on and on about yesterday trying to explain it to you:



You say: The band could use a break
I say: Taking a break to spend time with your family doesn't stop the process since band members aren't required to be physically present 24/7.

You say: Other big bands are waiting until 2008
I say: Because their albums aren't done. Also, if that's the case it makes even more sense to release the album when it gets less competition for the spotlight.

You say: The new year could be a clean fresh start.
I say: The calendar date isn't that important. The release of the album will be the start. It doesn't have to be the first day of the first month of the year.

You say: There's not time enough to promote the album and get it out in 2007.
I say: The record companies always release big albums in time for the Christmas season and still have time to promote them. This happens every year and the year isn't over in August.

In fact, last year's North American tour was announced in September-October. Not in August (unless you wanna consider the Vegas and San Francisco shows the tour).



None of this seems to make sense to you.





I just use logic and remain positive.

I believed 2006 was the year we'd see the release of the album, but it didn't happen.

Now we know the recording is finished and mixing was taking place this spring.



It just makes sense that it'll be out and I belive the band are working on getting it out as soon as they can.

That's just me.




/jarmo

Cool, I was wondering about that too. Thanks for the explaination.

Did tommy say that songs were mix back when his solo album came out ?

I can recall this as well..

Yes.

But what I said was posted on the official Guns N' Roses web site.



/jarmo

But... it's true this time! ?Really guys, it is! ?It's gotta be. ?Because... because... well, this time it's true.? Tommy was lying before.

EDIT:  Post #69.

-karma!!! I'm done with this place.  :P

I am sure it was true when tommy said it but things change .

And didn't the labels site have stay tuned for news and information on chines democracy ?

Not saying it's bs this time just that I am not expecting the album to come out.

i think axl is waiting to the olympic games at 2008

they're in china ;D

Pilferk pleads - PLEASE STOP THE HTGTH INSANITY!!!!

:)

Some of the arguments are getting a little long in the tooth.  They're rehashed, repackaged, redated and being thrown around AGAIN.  I feel like I'm reading the same thread from 2006...and 2005...and 2004.

The long and short of it is: You're an optimist, a pessamist, or a realist.

The optimists all believe it'll come out this year.

The pessemists all believe it'll never come out (or will come out "later than this year").

The realists think the optimists and the pessamists are wasting a whole lot of energy arguing over which one is going to happen, and sit back til someone, somewhere, in an official capacity makes a real,honest to goodness announcement.

What is insane is the fact that there is no new record. Lucky us that there are more bands in the world. Oh and we have  the demos and the bootlegs anyway so why hold our breath for jesus

One question for all those who don't believe that the album will be out: What are you doing here?

Doesn't it seem like a waste of your precious time to come to a message board dedicated to a band you don't think will release their album?

Personally, I could do without your "it's never coming out" posts.


I also know how some of these fans often say "I don't care about any tours, I want the album" but at the same time they think it's not coming out at all.

So I definitely don't understand what they're here for.





/jarmo

Although I'm not in the "It'll never come out" category.  Or the "pessimist" category as Pilferk put it (well), I think they have every right to be here.

There are plenty of bands that are worthy of discussion, even if they're not releasing a new CD.

We'll never see another Led Zep studio release, but they're still worthy of discussion.  It's highly unlikely that we'll see another KISS CD, but there's nothing wrong with talking about them.

I see no reason why those people (who think Chi Dem is never coming) should be forced off the forum.

I do.

As I said, if you're interested in repeating the "it's never coming out" thing, log out.

I don't need to hear it. This is not the place for those posts.




/jarmo

Your forum :)

But we're discussing a band here.    If it was athiests invading a pro-Christianity board then I would think that would be more understandable (although I still would not agree with it).  But it's not even that.  It's a forum about a band who happen to be in a unique situaiton.

I guess we're not going to suggest forcing off those who blindly believe it WILL come out.   

"You guys are all fuckheads.  Chi Dem is never coming out.  Stop wasting your pathetic little lives"   That kind of comment adds no value.

"I don't believe it'll ever come out".  I see no issue with that. 

Just my 2 cents, but I'm more of a "tolerance" kind of person.

I'm pretty sure the album is complete...but Axl continues to worry about how its going to be promoted.  Just look at the way he reacted to Merck's statement about the 13 tuesdays thing last year.  He continually stated that he wanted this thing promoted the right way, so when something is said on the official site, then we'll have something to tala bout.

Jarmo you are so loyal to GNR, it brings a tear to my eye!   :'(

My feeling about this GNR is that they're really only had their groove and spontaneous creativity back for the last 2-3 years. I'm personally glad they haven't put out the record yet because it didn't even begin to sound ready until recently.

Its a shame to think that we were waiting in vain between 1998 and 2005 for a record that probably won't end up sounding the way it did in that period will when it comes out (2008? 2009?).

This is probably the most likely scenario we're dealing with at this point and the least the band or Axl could do is clear that up with the fans before they start a riot on the internet and piss off good people like Eddie Trunk.

Will it sound great when it finally does come out?
"You Bet 'JurASSic"

MNW

People who don't believe in the album anymore should spend more time in the Dead Horse board...

That's what thrill me. Yeah, they are fans of the old band and want to discuss about it. So why do it on the section of the current GN'R incarnation who, for what is worth, is indeed alive and active?

Moan and groan in one place,
there's the CD frustration thread.   : ok:

I can see both sides of this argument. It just seems as if these types of thoughts ("it'll never be released", "a reunion is in the works", etc. etc.) creep into every single thread somehow and I think thats why Jarmo and the mods just starting shutting it down altogether.

I thought you were crying because you heard Libertad.....  :-\





It's all about attention.

More than once I've gotten PMs from some of them saying "why was my thread moved there? Nobody will read it!".

 :hihi:



/jarmo

Hey /Jarmo










U R MY HERO!!!!!!!!  8)

No, we won't stop the gnr-insanity...saying please won't work either. :hihi:
I can't hold it any longer :P

People sadly has a tendence to twist things, thanks for the heads up :peace:

I have to ecco Jarmo's sentiments when it comes to the album "never coming out" comments, and how this board isnt the place for these posts. Personally I could also do without the "CD is comming out....." speculation posts as well. Inherently while there may be nothing wrong with speculation or even frustration, I fail to see how either adds something to this community. Ostensibly we log in because we are fans of GnR so why not enjoy the great photos, excellent shared bootlegs, great fan comments and not worry so much about the record. Some people seem to feel as if we are owed the ART that the band is working on, In my mind this is incorrect thinking.

I am a realist and an optimist. The problem is the optimist part of me struggles with it because I haven't been able to see the band live (other then the New Years gig at the Hard Rock) ?because the San Diego shows were cancelled. ? I am very confident the new material is solid. ? I think the vast majority of the haters haven't seen the band live for whatever reason. ?It's just not the easiest band to be a fan of. ?Yet I'm still here. ? waiting.........

I'm sure Eddy trunk will be glad to know there were 13 pages of comments in response to his "response" :rofl:

It's painful to read at times.

Not My Fault, only like 2 of these pages are actually about Eddie

Fuck it.  You're an easy target.  Let's blame you anyway.

Whether or not it comes out this year, won't affect anyone at all, because if it does come about people will find a new reason to complain about it.  Axl said himself its just an album ..... The only time the CD will impact me is the cost out of my wallet, then after that nothing.  We need to stop hanging on every word that an outsider says about the album.

I too, am a fan of tolerance.  But being tolerant doesn't provide the same feeling of power as saying "Agree with me or get the fuck off my board."  I think forcing FANS off of a website would be (is) a shitty thing to do.  Some say "why are you here if you're so negative?"  ...I would ask in response, is it impossible to still like the band, even if you don't have a lot of faith they'll release the album (especially not this year)?  Of course it's possible, who are you kidding?

But, I guess if the "My way or the highway" mentality is good enough for Axl...

hello all.  just wondering...

who is jarmo(i know he's the moderator) and what makes you so knowledgable on gnr.

no sarcasm here, just wondering as i really have no friends that are fans so no one ever explaind it to me.

cd will be out soon, have patience.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/info.htm

No one said the thread being this long had anything to do with you.

Stop trying to get so much attention.

You're lame.

spending 13 pages at this shit? my god! but hey, i just addes my piece here so
as to say with that mika song: relax, take it eeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaasy

Naw, it is your fault. If you took Eddie's thoughts out of context you should man-up and say so. If you think Eddie is lying (when he says you took it out of context), then you should man-up and say he's a fucking liar.
After that, they should lock this thread.

I thought you were crying because you heard Libertad.....? :-\



Nice jab.  I do like Libertad.  "For a Brother" rocks!!!  And you know you have had fun at a VR show!!!!   :hihi:


This thread has gotten a little of topic, but I don't think there is much more that needs to be said about Eddie Trunk.   I think he spoke in tounge and cheek fashion.  The good rule of thumb is that if news doesn't come from GNR Management or Axl himself, it is probably not real news.

Thanks for telling me how to do my job.

As it goes I don't really give a fuck what Eddie Trunk has to say about Chinese Democracy as he's not in Guns N' Roses.

naw, you got me wrong, I was talking to the guy above your comment, not you. I agree with you.

Well, learn how to quote properly.

can we talk about this forever?

wait let me see if i can find some rolling stone quotes from axl circa 1989.

PS

thanks for deleting my post......the gnr worshiiping world is so serious these days ....its all business...no action.

I think a lot of fans got the mistaken impression that Trunk is now some kinda "insider" since the time Axl came on his radio show during that Baz interview and then later (if I remember correctly) Trunk was given some kinda credit by the GNR camp(?) for Baz being part of the GNR shows.



and get a haircut!!! ?:rant:
 :P

it seems we're going to. bollocks, innit?

I know how. But I'm out of this conversation; I'm not adding any more to this stupid thread.

 :love: :-* :love:


 ;)

I've been listening to Trunk for years, and have met him a couple of times at various shows. ?He would be the first to admit that he in no way is connected to GNR at all. ?He, just like all of us "downloading motherfuckers", is a fan of GNR. ?His recent comment was just an honest opinion that a lot of us share. ?These crazy scenarios are directly caused by the lengthy periods of total silence and mystery that engulfs every fucking thing Axl does! Finish the goddamn CD already, damn. :rant:

THis thread is so fucked uped, I dont even know why its being discussed , so much arguing goin on here, over bullshit

My post got deleted.? My words must be viewed as poweful and dangerous!

I really doubt that.

More like boring, predictable, lame, unfunny and you.



/jarmo

If Axl puts you in the Chinese Democracy credits I will vomit.

I don't think alot of fans have that impression but the guy who started this whole mess certainly seems to.

lock this thread, it sucks.

jealousy is a bitch.  :yes:

Lock this thread.  Its super lame.   ::)

is there any thread that doesnt ends up this way this days??