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GUNS N' ROSES NAMES DJ ASHBA AS BAND'S NEWEST AXEMAN


Guns N' Roses is proud to announce that guitarist  n' songwriter Dj Ashba has joined the band for an upcoming tour.
Ashba, who officially replaces current NIN guitarist Robin Finck, is best known as co-founder of hard rock bands Sixx AM and Beautiful Creatures.
"Dj's a gifted, energetic guitarist that Guns N' Roses is proud to have on board!!" exclaims Axl Rose.  "We're very excited to have the opportunity to work together. Guns' radar has silently been aware of Dj's presence for quite some time! He brings a fresh approach to our particular brand of mayhem expanding the tapestry of Guns N' Roses live.  Once Dj's name was in the hat, the hat disappeared!!"
"It's an honor to have the opportunity to be a part of a band that I  have always loved and respected," said Dj Ashba.
"I'm looking forward to working with Axl, who is not only one of the few great front men of our generation, but a true artist."
Dj Ashba co-wrote and co-produced Motley Crue's latest album "Saints of  Los Angeles," which garnered a 2008 GRAMMY nomination for Best Hard Rock Performance, as well as co-wrote and co-produced the Sixx AM album "Heroin Diaries."

Robin continues to be part of GN'R, by virtue of Guns' history and his involvement in Chinese Democracy.
Now, one step closer to the abyss, Ashba joins a band who's all time roster is nearly as long as it's founder Axl
Rose's rap sheet!

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Axl photo credit: George Chin
Dj photo credit: Bjorn Opsahl

(http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/images/Dj_Ashba.jpg)

(http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/images/axl_dj_press_release.jpg)

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Welcome to the GN'R family DJ. :)



/jarmo

He is beautiful. He will bring a much needed hotness to GNR! I can't wait to hear his playing! He looks a little like a vampire in that picture.

HOLY SHITT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Right ON!!!!

NOOOOOOOO. BRING BACK ROBIN. Guess that robin thread is heading to the ex-gunner section  :'(

I take that to mean that he is still in GN'R, like Brian is...

Welcome Ashba  8)

Robin Finck :'(

I like Robin, but if he wasn't happy, I  wish him all the best.

Good luck to Him and welcome to GN'R family

Robin Finck did his own way...

I liked his work with BC and thought the Sixx AM CD was good.

Glad to see the band will be touring soon!

Yes, I AM VERY EXCITED that the band will be touring soon.

Cool news : ok:

I look forward to hearing DJ's contribution.

Great news and a tour!  :smoking:

welcome to the band!  hopefully this means a tour announcement is coming soon.  8)

Cool guitarrist, I thing that this man is good for Guns stile music.  : ok:

Welcome to the Guns World

Great day in GNR


DJ Ashba is a good guitar player and a very excellent song writer.

BIG TIME THUMBS UP from me

Lets get this rolling NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome to the band!

This is the perfect time to feature RON as THE lead player in GNR. I'd like to see Ron get more solos on the old stuff.

Welcome to the band!

Good Luck!

Great news.  Hammer is about to drop on something BIG, no doubt...very exciting times.  Hopefully I will see you all in Boston/Foxboro MA.  : ok:

This guy seems cool

Was checking out some of his stuff on youtube....dig his sound.....it blows that Robin is gone but atleast a tour is around the corner

Yeahh. That means some guy's gonna love him and other's gonna hate him.  :hihi:

Welcome DJ  : ok:

I'll take it. I hope he does the TIL solo justice.

dj is awesome! and he looks like a kitten.

I wonder how Vince Neil and Nikki Sixx feel about a guy from the Motley Crue camp joining Guns. This is very exciting news and I hope a tour annoucement follows it.

He has my support

this dude can write a fucking song


Life Is Beautiful is awesome and the stuff on Saints of Los Angeles is good also

Looks promising, but man will this band ever stay the same?!  Can't wait for the tour annoucement....

nice! I just got back from work and I see some cool news here!  ;D  but still the Robin situation isnt clear for me, Axl said he is still in the band but he replaced him with Ashba....just dont get it, maybe is like the Brain-Thunderchucker situation, but 4 guitars in the band???...
I wonder why this news arent in the GNR website yet  ???

He is SO MUCH CUTER than Slash.

Sad to hear the Robin is officially gone.  I don't know much bout Dj Ashba, but I'm excited to hear what he brings to the mix.  Can't wait for an upcoming tour announcement!

So, he has joined for an upcoming tour, but he officially replaces Robin, who continues to be a part of GN'R?

Anyone else having any difficulty making sense of the specifics of the situation?

At least this means that the tour is definitely on the horizon :)

Ali

I hope this is a short term thing until Robin is done the NIN tour.

Can't really say I like this guys previous work, but I'll leave the judgment on him till after I hear what he brings to guns.

I guess if Robin ever decides to come back, this guy gets piss on his shoes.

Yay for the possible tour though.

EDIT: sorry for having an opinion my F?hrer, won't do that mistake again.

Robin is not officially gone. Haven't you read anything the past months?

Robin is busy. He can't tour. DJ Ashba will do it for him. GNR decided not to sit around and wait for Robin to be available.

It was either wait or go with some new guy. They went with the new guy so they can tour.

Not really an ideal situation, but if you haven't gotten used to this stuff yet, I suggest you better get used to it now.

"He joined the band for an upcoming tour"
"Robin continues to be part of GNR"

so this means Ashba is replacing Finck just for the tour? ??? ???

From the Bumbleforum


sweet! :)

Yes, isn't that obvious?

When Robin quit for the NIN tour, it was either to wait until 2010 when the NIN tour potentially would finish or get some new guy
to cover his place. It was damn fucking easy to see.

Some people were all disillusioned and thought Robin would just come back once Axl needed him..blah blah blah.

This is the deal. I think it's the best they could have done all things considered.

That's cool that Ron commented.

But, can someone clarify the situation?  Has DJ just replaced Robin for the upcoming tour?  Just the first leg or two of the tour?  Is DJ a permanent replacement for Robin?

Ali

DJ Ashba will be there as long as Robin WON'T be there. Is it hard to get?  :hihi:

I don't think the statement is as clear as it could be.  It sounds like it's just for the tour, but then it says "officially replaces" Robin.

It's cool because it implies the tour is coming, but it would be easier to make sense of the situation and be excited about it if the statement was clearer.

Ali

WTTJ DJ! : ok:

sad to see finck go, but he ran his course
welcome aboard DJ!
hell of a choice, love his work with sixx:am : ok:
weird side-note, was listening to 'pray for me' on the way home today and then i come home to this!  :beer:
fuckin' awesome!!

Seems like a cool choice. I like this cat's look a lot more than Roxie.

Ah, no more Robin Finck.

Welcome Aboard DJ Ashba.

I don't see any indication Robin is gone forever. From the press release, we have this cat at least for the tour. Doors are not closed on Mr. Finck.

Come on, it's like their drummer issue...

No one really knows who's the drummer so they just say they both are drummers and part of the family. It's not a rock band, it's a
huge collection of contributors who step in when they can etc etc.

All pretty confusing as always but that's how it is. Ashba will be there as long as Finck isn't.

I love Robin but am looking forward to seeing what DJ can do.
Welcome aboard man!!

Coupled with Monday's WBAB "surprise" stadium tour announcement...I'd say this is quite promising.

It's wierd how some people can make any statement seem "unclear"....    :nervous:

We have been informed that DJ Ashba will officially replace Robin for an upcoming tour!

If they needed a perminant replacement for Robin and Ashba could and wanted the gig, I guess the statement would have a different sound to it....   : ok:

Well I'm glad to see this news, and to clear up the robin situation for now.  Welcome to the band and I definitely will miss Robin, was just thinking about that today.....

This guy is cool but nothing compares to Robin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31XIX9PjRlQ

OKAY!!!!  This is an IMPROVEMENT if you ask me, this guy has good feel and decent chops.  And he seems like a HARD ROCK player.  Nice pick up!

DJ is officially in the band as one of three guitar players, he's replacing Robin.

When the press release talks about Robin, it means that Robin is part of the history of GN'R as well as being part of Chinese Democracy.



/jarmo

i gotta say, im happy and sad. no robin on next tour :'(, a tour is happening tho :beer:

perhaps the gnr/motley divide is healing

WELCOME ASHBA

You should read it again.  It says that Robin has replaced for the upcoming tour, but that he continues to be a part (present tense) because of Guns' history and his work on Chinese Democracy.  There's a mixing of present tense combined with references to history and past work.  It makes no statement that Robin will continue to work with Guns in the future.  That's why it's unclear.

Ali

So, do you know, is Robin gone for good, or just for the upcoming tour (or the initial legs of the tour)?

Ali

for those who like photo collages & here some of his work, here's DJ Ashba!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmdht7xcI4c&feature=related   :smoking:

unlucky.

That guy ruined Motley Crue.

Finally we can get things moving. Robin can do whatever he wants now.

Good choice, love his Sixx A.M stuff, big fan. Looking forward to seeing/hearing him with Fortus and Ron.
Robin was the weak link in the trio (live, imo), glad to see him replaced and hopefully he'll stay out. Don't need any disloyalty in a band.

DJ is in the band, he's not just a temporary replacement:




/jarmo

O.k.  Thanks for clearing that up.  The whole joining for an upcoming tour thing made me think that perhaps it was just a touring situation.

Ali

I believe the tour is next on the agenda, so it makes sense to mention it.



/jarmo

It's up at GNR's MySpace now...

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=12994546&blogId=478206856

Awesome news! I love the first Beautiful Creatures CD! He's an AWESOME guitar player, and I'm glad that he's in GN'R!

Welcome aboard, DJ!  :peace:

ooookkkkk....things clear now thanx to Mr. Jarmo
Bye Robin  :(
welcome Ashba  :)
and welcome tour!  ;D

i don't really see what axl sees in him, all i've heard is a weak guitar tone and generic solos, and SOLA was a big piece of shit.

besides, he doesn't even play with les pauls, hope that changes...

we'll see how he fits, but robin was and is a lot better than him, and so is ryan roxie

wow, shocking

...and gunsnroses.com

http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090321&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp

Wow, BIG news!

Farewell Robin, and thank you for the huge contribution you have made to GNR.

Welcome DJ  :beer:

GUNS N' ROSES Joined By SIXX: A.M. Guitarist D.J. ASHBA - Mar. 21, 2009

GUNS N' ROSES has announce that guitarist and songwriter D.J. Ashba has joined the band for the upcoming tour.

Ashba, who officially replaces current NINE INCH NAILS guitarist Robin Finck, is best known as co-founder of hard rock bands SIXX: A.M. and BEAUTIFUL CREATURES.

"D.J.'s a gifted, energetic guitarist that GUNS N' ROSES is proud to have on board!!" exclaims Axl Rose. "We're very excited to have the opportunity to work together. GUNS' radar has silently been aware of D.J.'s presence for quite some time! He brings a fresh approach to our particular brand of mayhem expanding the tapestry of GUNS N' ROSES live. Once D.J.'s name was in the hat, the hat disappeared!!"

Ashba stated, "It's an honor to have the opportunity to be a part of a band that I have always loved and respected. I'm looking forward to working with Axl, who is not only one of the few great frontmen of our generation, but a true artist."

D.J. Ashba co-wrote and co-produced M?TLEY CR?E's latest album, "Saints of Los Angeles", which garnered a 2008 Grammy nomination for "Best Hard Rock Performance", as well as co-wrote and co-produced the SIXX: A.M. album "Heroin Diaries".

Robin "continues to be part of GN'R, by virtue of GUNS' history and his involvement in 'Chinese Democracy'," according to a press release.

Video: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=116597

Agree. Hope all the best to Robin, but I really think he made a big mistake.

And hope some of you are happy with a generic guitar player in the band. Hope he proves me wrong, tho, but from what I heard...

Welcome DJ, I first wanna say I love Robin ! but.. DJ needs to be given a chance.  I don't know much of his work, but I will atleast give him respect for being a guitarist and a member of Guns N' Roses.  

1. question I have is what happens if the GnR tour starts after NIN is done.  Would it cause friction if Robin was available and wanted to comeback ? or was this a mutual argreement between the two ?

im a beautiful creatures and a sixx am fan, but still am shocked by this

u better do ur best kid, cuz here is one of the hardest fan base ever, u didnt even play one gig and they are already saying ur not good for the band, hope the GNR shirt wont fit too big on you, good luck, u will need it. : ok:

I think Jarmo explained it, Robin is gone and Ashba is one of the 3 guitars in the band.

Out of interest, have you heard the Heroin Diaries? Because when it came out the guitars instantly impressed me. You could really hear the commitment to the project and the effort put into them. He showed alot of diverstiy on that album imo. He isn't a revolutionary player, but I wouldn't really classify him as generic. I think he'd be very committed to any project he's part of and a great asset.

lol, when i was on my bike home from my friend i thought, "damn i hope something have happened in the gnr world tonight", and something huge had happened


we'll see


welcome fucker, looks pretty bad ass, hope he is bad ass

Im sure they have gone over that scenario and covered it.  

dj is badass.

shocked and disappointed. I liked Robin. I thought it should been just him and Fortus on the guitar, both were more than talented.

This just is wierd, kinda getting sick of the ever revolving door. But hey, I still be there front row when they come to NYC singing my fat ass off.

Oh please

this dude is as good if not better than Robin and he is a LEAGUES beyond Robin when it comes to songwriting.


Life Is Beautiful and Saints of Los Angeles were two of the biggest hits of the summer last year on rock radio and his guitars parts are excellent.


He is also a true GNR type of guy and not a dude from a different world TRYING to be a GNR guitarist.

welcome DJ.  : ok:
i really like robin but Dj is a kick ass player. He'll do great. I cant wait to see them on tour.

+1

i like his playing in Sixx am can't wait to see what he will bring to the band on tour.

honestly though i think they should have re-named some one that was already in the band at one time so that way when fans see'em next they'd go "ohh ok this guy again" instead of "who the hell is this" for the fourth time. But also in a perfect world Buckethead would be back in again :headbanger: but i'll settle for this dude : ok:

-1

Dude has a heavy, riff rocking style but he also has great melodic sensibilities and he plays great acoustic riffs


Life Is Beautiful is fucking awesome

I hope Axl gets this guy in the studio and collaborates with him ASAP

Welcome DJ!!!  : ok:

Robin Finck...   :no: :'(

Voodoo, rarely do we see eye to eye on guitar playing, but he isn't "unique" like you said.  He is a typical modern rock lead player that is allowed to actually solo. He does however from what I heard, have more chops than Robin, but Robin did have a unique sound.  Frankly though, he won't really play anything Richard couldn't, so it must be his "song writing" that got him this gig.  I hope he can write a riff, because that is something GNR doesn't have much of on CD is ballsy badass riffs.

Ahhh I don't get it.  Week in half ago there was Axl mentioning Robin's Stevie Ray Vaughn type solo..  I guess would like to know if Robin decided to not return or Axl just said were not waiting for you. No disrespect DJ.

Welcome, and glad to have you aboard. : ok:

me too, but mostly because i wanna hear axl singing over heavy rocking riffs and new music  :smoking:
*listening to beautiful creatures*

CONGRATULATIONS DJ!!!   :headbanger:

:beer:   (http://gypsysoul.lunarpages.com/Welcome.gif)   :beer:

Rehearsals are probaly coming up soon.  Im excited to hear DJ playing as I never heard his guitar playing before.  

Deffinatly. I think DJ would bring 110% to the table. He has a great diversity of styles and all of his work seeps effort and commitment. He'd be a great guy to have in the studio.
The other great thing is that he does have writting and producing experience, and is able to write a rock hit.

People are saying he is on Slash's solo album as well... There is a picture of him, Slash, Alice Cooper, and Nikki Six and apparently they all are on Slash's album.  

Nutts.

Welcome to the Jungle DJ.


I AM VERY EXCITED that the band will be touring  playing chinese  tracs live ! :smoking:

But does Axl want "hits" and basic rock stuff like Buckcherry?  I thought he was going more for Dream Theatre...

maybe the interview was made months ago but we just saw it week and a half ago, and Robin left the band, was his choice.

Well...let's support Darren Jay!!! :peace:

This is Guns N' Roses, take it or leave it.

Robin has an unique style, he didn't try to be anything. This guy doesn't have an unique style, just tries to copy crue/gn'r and thats where he starts to go wrong.
He is a corporate mold, a "modern rocker" if you will, just like Life Is Beautiful and SoLA and thats why they "top the charts".

You could almost guess what kind of songs he would write for GN'R, you would never be able to tell that with Robin and thats why I liked him more.

This is of course just my opinion. Would be cool if you don't delete my posts  : ok:

thanks for clearing this up jarmo. sad to see robin gone for good :(.

never heard of DJ (what an awful name btw), but I have faith that Axl knows what he is doing.

Anyway, welcome to gnr DJ! :peace:

My thing is makane

Robin is PERFECT with NIN. I love hearing Robin play live in NIN.

I just think that is more of where his style fits.

I just don't think Axl's voice and Robin's solos are a good match. I don't think Robin complements Axl's voice real well.

Also, like previously said, Get this guys riffs and Axl's voice on a CD and it will be magic.

U have to understand, this guy has tons of talent. U put someone with the creative mind like Axl leading this guy and pushing him, its untelling what he will come up with.

Don't hate on DJ cause he has written some cool modern rock radio hits.

U tend to say it like its a bad thing.

McKane, good post.  And I agree.  GNR has always been different, even in the 80's when every band had a virtuoso on guitar with a serious vocal range singer, yada yada yada, then GNR came in with 70's influences with ballsy guitars (Les Pauls) and were rough around the edges, nobody was like them at that time.  This is equivalent to getting the guitar player from Faster Pussy Cat or Trixter, ya, probably a great player, but like the guy in every other band....

Welcome on board DJ :beer:
I'm very curious to see you on stage and I hope it happens very soon  : ok:
Come here to say hallo please.

I'm shocked and disappointed also.  Everytime I get attached to the guitarists in GnR, they leave.  I wasn't fond of Finck at first but after hearing CD, he amazed me. I WILL miss him being on stage, especially after seeing him at Hammerstein a few years ago.  Buckethead was just godly. I wish he would've taken Finck's spot, even if it is temporary.

I saw DJ last year in concert and he didn't impress me that much.  He is good though and I'm sure he will grow on me like Ron has. He will prove to me that he is good just like the rest before him.  But at this point, I rather see and hear Finck on stage with GnR.

I rather see GnR tour with DJ then sit around waiting for Finck.  

Welcome DJ and best wishes to Finck.

U still have Ron for the crazy fast stuff though.

This guy is a better Robin in my opinion. Fits perfect though. More of a GNR style IMO.

Now if he totally butchers  Slash's solo, I may change my mind, but we shall see. He definitely is a cool guy and someone people and the press could really get behind.

I can certainly see DJ on the radio interviews whereas I couldn't necessarily see Robin.

Welcome to the band DJ. Can't wait to see you rocking with the guys :beer:

Thank you Robin for your music and for all these years of supporting GN'R's resurrection.

I will never forget you, and you'll be always in my heart. Hope you the best.

now let's get ready to rock some stadiums!

tracii guns called, he wants his look (and job) back  ;)  :hihi:

I really liked watching Robin live, he was way more interesting then Slash, and had a unique sound that added to GN'R. Every guitarist that has been part of the band since 2001 had some sort of memorable impression, so hopefully Ashba can too. What is his stage presence like ?

I thought Life is Beautiful was a great song, what was his role in that song ?

wrote the guitar riffs/solos

wrote the guitar riff on the Motley song Saints of Los Angeles plus the guitar riffs for most of the songs on that CD which are pretty rocking.

The dude is a great songwriter and that is missing in GNR cause outside of Axl, like Tommy said, not very many of them knew how to make a record.

The Saints of LA riff is badass...fucking ace. Wish for something like that could come to GNR one of these days...CD doesn't really have even one of them.

10-11 years ago ;)

What is his stage presence like ? Does this guy go nuts or what ?

stop with that shit of "bring back Robin"

It wasn't Gn'R decision.. IT WAS ROBIN decision!

I didn't try to make it a "Robin is a better guitar player, 'cause blaablablaa", but more of a comparison as to why I think this new guy isnt't good for GN'R.

Maybe I do. Maybe I think the songs arent that good really.
You seem to be more interested how he can make a "hit" for GN'R and do publicity stunts than how he could actually help GN'R evolve and do new inspiring music, which I think would eventually lead to success as well. Maybe not the #1 Modern rock single, but thats not what I want...

But D, fuckint Fortus can rip on the guitar, and he is cool, but I don't hear him on the radio or anything... And he plays with Rhianna!  He is good, he is solid, but in the world of GNR, as of now, he is a Gilby and hasn't done anything yet.  So for now, I see him as a touring guitar player and that is great cause we get a live GNR, but wishing for studio work at this time is premature.

I think he looks cool as fuck on stage personally


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBEIWu3zHGY

true, fuck robin, let's hate on him :hihi:

but yeah, you're not lying

When did you see him with GN'R? Did they play a show in Finland already?




/jarmo

Exellent choice! :)

He can compose (does it matter in this context?), can play and has both looks and stage-precence.
Another musician that "has his own scene" into the live-mix. :peace:

For us bitter Bucketfans, maybe this make watching beareable? Kidding! :P


Didn't you wan't MC to be more oldschool, and GnR is not oldschool music. :hihi:

The best player out there that would have "fit" is Doug Aldrich.  Period.  End of story.  If you don't know who he is, look him up, he has it all. Everything D could ever dream of.  

He just doesn't seem like he would fit in with Guns N' Roses.  I see more of a Motley Crue, Buckcherry, and God I say Hinder....

P.S.  when writing this post I couldn't remember the name of Hinder  :rofl: had to google them.

I guess we were talking about him writing for GN'R. Writing songs, which he has done previously.
Maybe I missed the gig...

Well, so far I didn't like it.

I've heard SoLA and BC and I think they are a huge piece of shit.

But I know very little about his guitar playing and, judging by what I know, I think his a regular guitar player, you can find others like him anywhere. Robin, on the other hand, he has a different style, a different approach that you don't see very often, IMHO. He's kinda like Slash on that matter.

Anyways, I wish him all the best on GN'R, and, even though they don't have nothing to prove to anyone, I hope to be proven wrong about this

Welcome onboard, dude! See you on the road!  :beer:

Oh, I guess you heard the results of those supposed writing sessions?  :P


GN'R isn't Motley Crue.





/jarmo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31XIX9PjRlQ&feature=related


here is bit of a solo.


With Axl guiding him though, who knows what he can do though. He already has a shit load of talent and SONG WRITING talent.

Robin is a cover guitarist no matter how u guys want to slice it.  He plays music mostly written by other people. Is it a coincidence that the guy in 10 years, has ONE writing credit on CD?



DJ Ashba is already proven and GNR need a hitmaker on the roster at guitar.


Richard like Robin is also more of a cover/live/touring guy so far
bumble we will have to see if he can write mainstream music

but DJ is proven

so its a great wonderful addition to this band.

Cool clip and a good song for "them", but it said Nikki wrote that song when he got clean or something.  Out side of the solo, everything else guitar wise was very basic.  The solo was good.

I take it he'll play lead with BBF.

Wonder if Robin's part will be on the next album.

And I guess theyre getting ready to tour since the addressed who is in the band !!!!!

why is basic a bad thing?


One thing I miss on CD is those heavy, headbanging rocking fucking guitar riffs.


Lets be real, CD lacks those types of riffs.

This guy can bring the headbanging fist pumping riff.


as i said, u let Axl push and coach and challenge him, mixed with Axl's vocals over his guitar skill..... u are gonna have magic.

THANK GOD!!!   :beer:

D, he is solid, but he isn't "proven" yet.  GNR is the big leages... He has been in double AA.

1 song in ten years dude!!!!!!!!! JESUS CHRIST. Robin wrote one song in 10 years.

and fortus didn't write a single one in 7!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;)

I thought that was what Bumble was for?!?!?!?!  

When i mean riffs, I mean fucking riffs, not power chords played to a rythym.  Purple Haze, Satisfaction, Smoke on the Water, Welcome to the Jungle, Back In Black, I miss those kind of riffs, I don't want more of the riff from Chinese Democracy (the song), that isn't really what I call a riff....  I mean it is, but it isn't.  It isn't sleazy or grimey like Nighttrain or Mr. Brownstone and this guy has NEVER written riffs like that.  

Unfortunately I missed those too.
I'd say you can make a fairly accurate prediction of how/what he writes by listening to previous records. Thats at least what we were basing our arguments WITH D.

I never claimed Fortus was great either.

I think Axl has a plan for GnR. He got the sound he wanted with Robin, and with CD. So now it may take GnR into a deeper direction. As the new stuff is supposed to be more intense then CD. Maybe Ashba can do more in the studio too.

I get where u are coming from Makane, but u can't cancel out the Axl factor. When writing for Motley, he has to write in the MOTLEY style.

so what if he writes in the GNR style?

My point is, the guy is an accomplished songwriter something very much lacking in GNR. now this isn't a diss on GNR guitar players, but lets be real about their Resumes for a moment.

no gnr guitarist has a hit to their credit in their entire careers.

DJ does and u put Axl's influence with him and it is untelling what kind of stuff we can get.

hum...I'm reading my post and I didn't find anything about Robin's writing skills...

I do see something about his style and approach, and I think I saw enough to say what I said.

Plus, since you're talking about writing, did you hear everything he wrote in the past 10 years? Is everything he wrote in the past 10 years out there so everybody can listen? DID HE write anything else in the past 10 years for that matter? We don't know...that's why I didn't say anything about his writing skills.

If I'm not wrong, Axl said Robin recorded material for upcoming albums.

With that said, how can you be so sure? What if there are other Robin's songs in the next albums?

Now you can breath deeply and quit bashing Robin. He's gone. Relax.

no doubt, they have great stage presence, but stage presence doesn't sell albums.  DJ has stage presence and can write the fuck out of a song.

I am absolutely excited, ecstatic, and extremely pleased with this  *If u couldn't already tell*

He hasn't written anything with GN'R yet, so I'd wait until he has before judging.


If D thinks DJ can write hits and shows you proof of that, you can't really deny it.

But you can't really say he's not good for GN'R for the above stated reason!






/jarmo

D, what you are saying is a slippery slope, should Axl have gotten Angus Young or Slash because they have been involved in a lot of hits too?  

It's on the official website

http://web.gunsnroses.com/index.jsp

Listen guys

Its cool u are Robin fans

BUT

I live in a world of absolutes and what I know.

I know that Robin has ONE songwriting credit to his name.

Sure, maybe he has written 2000 songs, but if none are released, or none are hits, it really doesn't matter because GNR are a mainstream rock N Roll band.

GNR are not underground, GNR are not some coffee shop, indy, Cult band.

GNR are a mainstream BRAND


GNR need a guy who can be creative with Axl and reach the masses and help write some fucking hit songs.


Recording on a future album and Writing are two separate things.

Axl said in 99 when Robin left that they were able to push the music further.

u mix that with Tommy's interview and I just think Robin is a great live guitar player but not necessarily the big time riff writing song craftsman a band like GNR need to be on top of the world.

Jarmo, lets face it, D loves DJ because he has some decent chops and played with Nikki Sixx from Motley Crue, a band D loves, much like Bon Jovi.  Had Axl called on Richie Sambora all hell would have broken lose with D.  Right D?   :P  :beer:

All this talk about song writing is taking things a bit ahead, don't you think?

The band hasn't toured in support of Chinese Democracy yet.





/jarmo

Agreed, just be glad we have a touring member so we can SEE GNR live.  I like the pick up, but I am just looking to the tour right now. 

I had a theory for years, that the reason CD took so long, was partly due to the material not being up to Axl's liking.

I still believe that, maybe I am wrong, maybe I am not, but I feel Axl made diamonds out of gravel pretty much and that is a honest to god testament of how talented Axl is to be able to do that.

Chinese Democracy, and I have said it since day one, lacks the big headbanging, hooky riffs that make u just throw your fist up and jump and get down.

This guy writes THOSE kinds of riffs and u throw in the Axl influence and it just has gold written all over it.

U mix in the guys stage presence, chops, looks and the fact he is somewhat under the radar.

People don't know of the hits he has written but he passes the eye test. This guy has that rockstar IT factor that will jive extremely well with Axl onstage.

he also has a shit load of credibility and I can see DJ on the radio doing interviews,press etc. This guy is also a super amazing nice cool dude.


This is strictly based on his writing skills for me and his tone/guitar style which I do love

He is very versatile and has a nice tone/melody to his playing

Richie Sambora would not fit in GNR :hihi: :hihi:

Yeah, maybe he could write hits, but does it in 2009 mean a "hit" song is actually a GOOD song?
Saying Life is beautiful and SoLA sold like hell, doesn't really imo prove that he has some magical writing skills.

At this point im dissapointed with him, but maybe he has some "superior GN'R abilities".

Doug could handle all three guitars and still blow away everyone! he is by far the best guitar player in the genre out there! and such a nice guy...

DJ Ashba is nothing compared to doug!

Jarmo, was it Robin's decision not to return ?  

Maybe Doug didn't want the job?

Meanbone, fuck yeah, you know who he is.  He is a MONSTER and on of the nicest guys in Rock today, bar none.  Doug in GNR would make GNR as big as they could be.  He smokes on the new Whitesnake album too.

WTF are you people babbling about writing for?  You just got an album and have an upcoming tour for crissakes.  Frankly, I don't care if they teach Bubbles the Chimp to do the parts as long as they start listing some dates soon! ;D

Good question. But I'm sure it was Robins and only on Robins decision to tour with NIN. The only thing I would like to know is why leave GN'R for NIN again? but if someone has lack of faith you just have to move on, it happens all the time. GN'R will move on and tour.

hell yeah i know him, i opened for whitesnake 4 years ago and got to meet him and hang out with him, i was blown away, i'm a huge fan ever since.

That guy is amazing!

I can't wait for this tour to get rolling, really looking forward to seeing this guy with GnR. I have every bit of confidence in him doing an awesome job.
It is dissapointing though that Robin won't be playing on the ChiDem tour though. Like him or not he is a big part of that album, and now that it's out it's a shame he wont be touring for it.
But I really feel DJ is an awesome choice. It may be looking ahead, but I'm already looking forward to hearing him collaborate with Axl and Guns. Like I've said before, this guy is a pretty diverse player, he has experience and knows what he's doing. I urge anyone to listen to the Heroine Diaries. That was a project that could have easily failed and been a mess, but the guys, including DJ, really pulled it off.
This guy is good.

Do you know who else is amazing? Kimi R?ikk?nen!

But since he's not the new guitar player in GN'R, we won't discuss him in this thread.

 :)



/jarmo

Maybe next week we get tour dates, we are almost to April so I say anytime now! 

A somewhat recent interview...

Road Crew Interviews DJ Ashba at NAMM!

By Becca   Jan 22, 2009

You may know him as the sexy guitarist from the band Sixx AM but, there is a lot more to this rock star!

DJ Ashba is one of the music world's hardest working stars.  He owns his own graphic design studio, Ashba Media, with quite a list of outstanding clientele. He also owns Ashbaland Studios.  DJ is also in one of the hottest new bands, Sixx AM, whose song, "Life is Beautiful" was named " Rock Song of the Year" for 2008 by Mediabase, and he just came out with his own line of Ovation guitars. We were lucky enough to talk to DJ while he was at NAMM:

http://roadcrewmag.com/articles/Road_Crew_Interviews_DJ_Ashba_at_NAMM__01,22,09,02

I honestly think his writting skills are a bit on the CHEESE side.
AS for his looks, he looks like one of those emoboy bands. RObin was pretty, but he was freaky. Good balance.

This motherfucker is going to attract the ''twilight'' crowd.
I may puke.

You put DJ in front of a name......... ;D

This is a Dizzy recommendation right?

Ron said warm welcome so I'd say that's an open invitation to hug the stuffings out of this guy ladies.

i just listened to sixx am's record again and i went to dj's site, it still sounds very bad.

worst is that the guy is more of a brand name than slash is. If Axl hates the fact that slash is a media whore who only wants to sell out, this guy even sells ringtones for a living. in fact he sells pretty much anything from his own line of guitars, clothes and accessories... Robin was the real deal, this guy seems to be as fake as they come, no wonder he hung out with nikki sixx.

i'm still gonna give him a chance because Axl does know a thing or two about the music biz that i don't, but from where i'm standing it doesn't look good.

and yeah, the twilight teen fans seems like something right right up Dj's alley

regardless, if robin chose to leave, it's his decision and we should respect that, and gn'r obviously had to move forward, i just hope this guy can actually do any good.

his name is in the band members list on GNRs myspace

I wonder what is happening with Sixx AM now...I heard they were working on a follow up to the Heroin Diaries- guess they'll be looking for a new Axeman.

I don't know much about DJ, looks like I'll be doing some research, Axl knows talent so I would not slam him before a note is played folks.

Outside of Bucket, who has lived up to expectations? 

Umm, everyone?

I hope everyone gives DJ a fair chance.   Lets see how he is on stage with the band.

DJ is multi-instrumentist. He plays piano since he was 3, he was obsessed with drums for some years, and he started studying guitar at the age of nine. He also sings.

I see it very simple: if Axl decided to include him in the band, he has to be a beast onstage.

Today is a very happy day to be a GNR fan. Wheels are ready to set in motion  :beer:

Your trying to reach for something that isnt there...DJ's hiring has nothing to do with the future direction of GNR. If Robin didnt quit then we wouldnt be having this discussion.

D...I think your jumping the gun. Axl has said he could careless about any follow ups at this point. Do you really think he was brought in because he wrote a couple of hits? He was brought in because Robin bolted and they need another lead guitarist for the world tour they are about to embark on.

Yea, its a plus he has written some hits or whatever but it has nothing to do with future gnr albums. If we ever get one it wont be for quite some time and Im sure there will be a few other lineup changes by then.

and speaking of hits and writing credits and absolutes....all I know is that Robin wrote Better. I have not listened to all of DJs work but has he written anything close to a song like that?

Im sure Robin wrote the majority of the solos on CD and other material as well. They are all excellent. I never understood people getting on him or any of the other members for the way they played the old material. Who cares? Its about CD and whatever follows. And when they played their own stuff it sounded great.

DJ seems cool and he obiviously has talent. The only good thing out of this is that Axl will hit the road shortly. So atleast we will get to hear the new stuff be the centerpiece of the setlists.

Once again, some of you like to compare who's written what.

Robin wrote "Better" in GN'R. We all know that. Did he write anything that great outside GN'R?

It doesn't matter who wrote what and when outside of GN'R!


Besides, it doesn't matter anyway. There's a tour on the agenda first.....


Always the same thing with GN'R fans.

Like a bunch of piranhas.....  :nervous:



/jarmo

which should be the main focus. all this talk about writing etc is a stretch


What do you expect when the lineup is always changing?

^^ I hope you're not calling everyone disapointed about Robin's absense (I still had hope till now) a bunch of piranhas.

Exactly. From my point of view, they hired another Richard (not a bad thing, just not unique). I'm just glad that we still have Bumblefoot in there...

I think many people here already explained why he's more like a random guitar player. I still hope he achieve more with the band, tho. Wonder if he'll get all of Robin's old songs solos.

Couldn't be any more from you.

It's one song that happens to be the best of the new album.

Also, you're totally ignoring his contributions/solos in other songs like TIL, SOD, TWAT, IRS, CITR. By your logic, Slash has no credits for his work on November Rain, Estranged or SCOM. So, please, stop being silly. : ok:

on as side note, since gnr seem to have updated their myspace page can we assume that brain is out too? ???

I am aware that Axl adressed that issue in his latest interview, but judging from today's news about Robin, things seem to have changed since then...

does it even matter anymore??

Nothing to do with that I'm afraid.

More to do with the fact that certain people always get ahead of themselves.

They get the album and a month later it's all about how much they want the next album.... You got a tour, but you want the album (2006-7). You get the album, but you just want a tour (2008). Etc etc.




No, just the mentality to always wanting more and more and more.

Like the album.... Imagine it as some poor animal who happens to step into the water. It gets eaten in a minute and the piranhas are already wondering where the next meal is!




Did somebody say so?

No.

So until you hear it from GN'R.......


Besides, Frank was added in place of Brain on the Myspace. I believe years ago.

Since then we've heard that Brain's still part of GN'R.




/jarmo

ok thanks for the prompt reply : ok:

Well your wrong about the past. People had every right to "want" an album after the 02 tour.

But you are correct about the present and I already said I agree. The focus is on the tour. The real CD tour will finally begin. Too bad it wont be the original line up for that album (lollllll only in GNR land). Regardless Axl is about to hit the road so thats always cool.

Just wondering, because I've never ever had this kind of acting. Not here, not everwhere.

Its just that I just found out tonight that my favorite guitar player is out of my favorite band and the person who replaced him don't say much to me yet (still hoping to be proven wrong once he gets onstage with the band, of course).

Hi Dj,

Welcome to Guns N' Roses and welcome to the Guns N' Roses extended family (the true fans)!!! Guns N' Roses is my favorite band ever and I am

so happy for you that you are joining. This is exciting news for us fans. I read your remarks about being happy to be a part of a band you have

loved and respected and also working with the true artist that is Axl Rose.

I (and I'm sure many of us here) agree wholeheartedly with your remarks.


Guns N' Roses is in a class all its own. This band is innovative, inspired and unrivaled through their creation of true and beautiful art in

its purest form -- as evidenced by "Chinese Democracy".


Axl Rose is also incomparable. He is a genius and a true artist and like you said, one of the best front men in history.

I am excited and happy for you that you are joining Guns N' Roses and wish you all the continued success with this amazing band.


Yours truly,
dreamer girl   :)

Well I don't think I singled you out? If you feel unfairly targeted, it certainly wasn't my intention.

But if you read the thread, you can see that some people are already discussing song writing!




Not really. But I wasn't even talking about that ancient history.




/jarmo

Fair enough.

Anyways, I do think the great news here is: seems like a tour is taking shape for real now.

is that wrong?

yea. Why discuss song writing when the bands sole focus is to tour CD for awhile?

The Album was the goal, it was met.  Now the Tour is the goal.  After the Tour, then we can discuss writing. 

Now when people talk reunion, they may actually talk about the 02 lineup with Bucket, Finck, and Tobias.

Well dismissing the guy's song writing abilities when you haven't heard a note he's written with GN'R is wrong.

Add to that the fact that there's a tour on the horizon.




It's like talking/arguing about how great your team will do in the Super Bowl even before the regular season has started....

Getting a bit too far ahead of yourselves....




/jarmo

because we can talk about several things at the same time ? :P
what the hell? why not?
I think it matters a lot !

It would be a lot cooler to know that gnr just brought a a fine guitarist than a mediocre one.

I am excited at the prospects of the songwriting. most bands write while on the road, so i am definitely hoping Axl and DJ start collaborating on some stuff

that isn't saying I want a new album this summer, I am just very interested in what they can do together.

you're still saying its wrong, but not why ?
if peeweee herman was brought it as the new guitarist would you still be saying.. hey.. just wait and judge untill you hear him play on chidem ?

Umm, because GN'R is a sum of all its parts?



/jarmo

no offense to Robin, but this is a step up from what GNR had before...this is great news... :peace:

Yeah, but given that this guy writes killer songs and very good riffs hints that...

Hm, I would love to see him compose with Axl :D


Ok...the tour!

What solo's do we wan't him to take on?
I can see NR, SCOM and some of the rockers with melodic solo's, he's very good live too. :)

VERY happy for this addition to the band. :peace:

PS/

Robin, you will be missed. Thanks for all contributions :love:

I wouldn't conclude that necessarily. I think it's more a situation where IF any of the 3 current guitarists (Richard, Ron and DJ) are unable to perform or leave, etc. then don't be surprised if you see Robin (or Buckethead or whoever) up on stage with GN'R again. Leaving the door open.... but not entirely. My take anyway.

At any rate, welcome to GN'R DJ! A great guitarist with true "GN'R" roots (i.e. Indiana, Motley Crue, Sunset Strip, etc.). Best of luck. :beer:

A better analogy would be.
A lawyer doing an interview with a firm.

The one doing the interview will ask to see his resume.
Do you think he'll look at all those failed trials and go.. oh well, with us you'll play great, you just wait  :P

How is it wrong to discuss the songwritting ability of a new member of a band? If he's joined GnR he must have something to offer besides playing the old songs well. So should we just ignore that aspect of being a musician in a band, and treat him like just another 'hired gun' for concerts?

And therefore we're not allowed to analize the parts individually.
OK, next time I watch a rerun of France-Brazil 98, I'll try not to talk about Zidane or Roberto Carlos...and Ill just say... GO FRANCE ! Go BRazil !
 :hihi:

Did you ever hear of the word audition?





Because you have no idea!

If you based Robin's song writing before GN'R on how well he'd fit into the band, 99% would've said it's not gonna work since he had no writing credits to speak of (I believe he was credited on re-creating a song or something).

And now we have all these people saying how great he was in GN'R and how much they love the song he co-wrote!


Same thing can be said about almost anybody.


It's when they're added to the GN'R song writing mixture that makes things interesting. And DJ hasn't been added to that yet.






You can talk about what Zidane did when he was 15 without the rest of the team and how analyzing those games could tell you he'd play in the 1998 final.





/jarmo

people come and go, and im happy to see GNR live (if they come to Mexico) because im a great Axl fan, but people do have a point in saying that they cant relate with the other members, when they keep changing.  i agree with Axl in the point that this is not a solo album , GNR its a contribution of different musicians, but i think to love GNR you have to love Axl Rose , its his vision that drives GNR. im happy with it, but i cant blame people that feel bad because their favorite "player" gets out of the band.

i hope this new guitar player does a great job, looks are not that important, but he does look like an emo-chemical romance type of guy.  :confused:

Well this is the final nail in the coffin for anyone wanting Bucket back,
Ill have to learn to Love 'DJ Ashba' then as a replacement
:D

Well bfoot, frank, and dj were all brought in because they were needed for touring purposes. They are not the original members of new gnr. They are hired guns. So it depends on how you look at it.

Just like Buckethead who joined after Robin left the first time!

Not an "original" member!

 ::)



Stay on topic. You can take your "reunion" shit elsewhere.




/jarmo

With DJ Ashba, I have been seeing many people complaining. Some are saying they hate the band now and will never see them play live. This is just stupid for people to complain like this and moan and bitch. Rob decided to leave the band. It was his choice alone. No one else told him to leave the band. Gotta respect his wish to leave.

Axl just doesn't pick some stupid ass guitarist. He knows what to do with the band, as we have seen already with how good Chinese Democracy sounds. People must of complained about when both Buckethead and Rob had joined the band and look at how good they did. So give the DJ Ashba guy a chance and not just assume he is going to suck.

In no way am I bashing Rob, I enjoyed his contribution with Guns and hope he has a fun time with Nine Inch Nails. Other bands have had musicians go and come back. Do you whine about it when lets say Nine Inch Nails gets some new members? Sucks Robin had to leave when he could of played the material he played on live.

The early stages of new gnr were just that..early stages. Josh Freese, Howerdell, etc all original members then? yes and no. You go by what evolved into the final band. Just like in the old days with la guns and gnr. Same thing. Axl had one chance to sell new gnr to the old fan base and general public. And to his credit he came up with a combo that could run cricles around the old band and could justify carrying the gnr name. Now its completely different. You can only go to the well so many times.

again, this is what happens when there are so many lineup changes.

Great post.

The problem  stems from the new band ending before it officially got started. You know what i mean?

Yeah, so what.
Same thing applies, instead of reading about how he fucked up the trial (for the lawyer) , he can hear how the man fucks up the solo. Or makes a cheesy solo  ;) Obvisouly Axl doesnt think so. But as an observer and fan of the firm and the band, I have the right to question the resume and musicality of the candidates.


That is a given. But it's all a matter of taste anyway.. there are still people saying Robin plays like shit.

You lost me. Why do you say its ok for me to talk about zidane when he was 15 (when he wasnt in the 98 French team), and you say its not ok for me to talk about bandmembers when they were not in the GNR team of 2009? ???

Ive been lurking around and to be honest, it seems overall, the GNR community are extremely happy.

I'd say 80 percent are digging this decision.

An audition is a bit more than just listening to some cds.

I still don't get what the hell you're trying to say.

Just because he's written songs in the past doesn't mean they'll sound anything that he might write with GN'R. And once again, I think that's getting ahead of yourselves.





Explanation: Talking about what a member of GN'R did before he was in GN'R is like you watching some old Zidane games from the 1980s and trying to guess whether or not he'll have a great game in the 1998 world cup final!

First, you might see that he's a great player and that there's a potential, but there's no way you can judge how well he'll play in the team.

Now, if you had actually watched DJ play with GN'R, then you might have an idea how well he works with the team. But you haven't. All you can see is those other acts he's played or written songs with.


Your whole football analogy was about focusing on the great players in the 98 final and not the whole team.

I'm saying, you haven't seen DJ with GN'R so you're not watching the final yet!



/jarmo

No need to get mad.  :P I just don't agree with you. For me it's impossible for a background not to have influence on the future project with gnr.
When I first heard of bumble I checked it out, and thought.. the songs are crap, but he is a monster playing, and the riffs are cool as hell, mix that with Axls songwritting and you might have something very special. I ended up being right. (at least for my taste).

So I still think we should have the right to speculate. I dont see how  can anyone separate the past from the future like that.

     I wasent a huge Robin fan befor he was in guns,   but know ive grown to love his playing even though i dont like his weird danceing..Robin is a great player and i also love better... 
     So let me just say welcome to the bend DJ Ashba and all the best.. Axl is happy to pick this guy ill surely give him a chance.. 
     Im likeing the Sixx AM songs ive found that i hadent heard of befor and he seems cool so Welcome.. : ok:

HA!!   I told everyone about DJ being at the Chinese Democracy release party...no one said a word, well you know what? I'm happy as shit. He's a great guy, he's great to the fans, AND, most importantly, he;s one hell of a guitar player....I didn't read this thread, cause I know there's a bunch of people bitching, but whatever, fuck you, Gn'R has yet another great guitat player go fuck yourselves. :)  I'm more excited than a little schoolgirl discovering masturbation.

As sad as I am to see Robin be replaced by anyone at all, this new choice of guitar player is interesting and Sixx A.M. was a solid record, so bring it on.

Good question is will the band be more of modern rock now with the absence of the two industrial players.

...has joined the band for an upcoming tour.

 ;)

What would you call the album? :P

maybe u should take some time to read and u wouldn't waste energy being angry

the boards I have visited, id say 80 percent at least are behind this.


This guy is gonna be a great addition to this band.

I am happy this is all settled and hope the band can relaunch the album with great success. It has taken time for fans to put their arms around the new guys, as it will no doubt remain to be in the future with the band settling into some form of consistency.

But these players have a lot of expectation to meet, shoes to fill and hard work to perform.  But to their advantage, Bucket and Finck laid a solid foundation of sound. I am curious whether Thal or Ashba will rise up and take the control of that lead lead guitarist role as Finck did during the 06 tour.

What is settled?  What new guys? Which ones?  What form of consistency? There's no consistency.  At all. 

In Axl we trust!

What?  :o A drum machine and now a DJ? What's next?!

nice news, welcome DJ :)


I don't know if already mentioned, but DJ has already updated his webpage  : ok:

http://www.djashba.com/home.html





-velimir

I most like the video section on his gnr page...... and I don't think it's there to promote the old video's... who's in that thought?

i love the fact that he put this up practically overnight and it makes the gn'r homepage & myspace pages look like they were done by 3rd graders  :hihi:
hopefully Ashbamedia could hook up the gn'r pages with a little midas touch!

just been checking him out on youtube , could turnout to be a masterstroke from Axl he is shit hot and the girls love him and most importantly he could be a guitar hero. As good as bumblefoot and buckethead are i dont think they have the whole package such as image and stage presence but i can see kids looking up to this guy like they did Slash. Also checkout Ashba on you tube in his old band beautiful creatures HE OWNS THE STAGE over the frontman

He seems like a cool guy, my only fear is that he seems to come from the Kirk Hammett school of Wah abuse, but he still seems like a pretty decent player so I'm sure he'll do well.

Uh, I am cool with ashba. He does seem cool, and after watching some vids of him, he is a really great guitar player. Yea, I am cool with it. Can't wait to see GN'R live...


... again.

Looks like the perfect replacement to me. Plus he looks cool  ;D 8) ( and I'm saying that in the most heterosexual way possible...or not ?  :hihi: )

Gotta agree there. I bet his page gets the tour info uploaded before the Gn'R page  ;D ;D ;D

Lets get this shit on the road Axl - Awesome news  : ok:

so to the most important question, how do I pronounce his name?

GN'R Lineup: Axl Rose, Dj Ashba, Richard Fortus, Tommy Stinson, Dizzy Reed, Bumblefoot, Frank Ferrer and Chris Pitman (Dj Ashba's official site)

Where the fuck is Brain? It will be reallllllllllly frustrating seeing Frank instead of Brain. No way. Hope Axl isn't so crazy at that level

How soon will the line, "...and now we've gone from Slash to Ash..." get used?   :hihi:

This sounds very cool.  I can't wait to hear what these guys can do together.  I can't wait until the tour!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A bit melodramatic?

DJ has replaced Robin..you follow?

Tracii Guns said on metal sludge's gossip board that he thought Ashba was a great choice for gn'r... but then again he also thought he was a great choice for gn'r so i dunno if his opinion should really matter.

there's one good thing about Ashba though, he does move fast revamping his website and myspace, so even if he lacks the chops maybe he could be their next webmaster :P

well, i just hope gn'r enters the stage we all hoped they would after releasing cd, i.e, music videos, tour plans, interviews, the works. if ashba can help the band on that and help them move forward and achieve the goals they set to achieve a long time ago, then i'm all for that and i wish the band the best.

i will miss robin, but it was his choice and the show must go on.

now ashba, get a proper les paul and a marshall stack please.

Well I for one am furious about this.

It is nothing against DJ Ashba (who I have never heard of before by the way). I am sure he is an amazing guitar player and will do the songs justice.

And it is also nothing to do with the loss of Robin Finck, who I always thought was poor and plays like shit half the time (he murders the first half of the solo on Street of Dreams, whereas his playing on This I Love is v. good).

No.....

I am just furious at this whole situation.

I loved the old GnR, and like everyone else when people like "Buckethead", "Brain" and "Bumblefoot" came on board I raised an eye brow and questioned the ethics of the band using the Guns name, but I started to love them, went to see them live, realised that the "New Guns" were a class act, and then recently bought the album and loved that too (with the exception of 1 or 2 weaker tracks). And I am very excited to hear the next album which will hopefully contain more material that we won't have heard live or on leaks in advance of the release.

However if you include Bumblefoot and Frank in the mix then we now have the 2nd incarnation of the "New Guns", with Robin, Brain and Buckethead all having left the band (all of whom contributed most to Chinese Democracy).

So irregardless of who we have in the band now, and how good they are (nothing personal to the members intended), what we essentially have is a group of well-paid touring musicians playing like a tribute act to "New Guns", the original incarnation of which started as a tribute act to the "Old Guns". When are we going to get stability? When are we going to get a live tour with musicians actually playing and performing the material they wrote...? I think probably never.

Also I would like to know why there are so many people leaving the band... there has to be some reason for it, something that we aren't getting told.

It doesn't matter how good a musician you are, you can not possibly put as much emotion into performing live when you are playing something someone else wrote. That spoils the whole experience.

Don't ge me wrong... I am sure the new sound will be tight, and energetic, and congrats to DJ. But it is just so frustrating to constantly have to adjust to a new line up.

Let's put it this way - I have friends who like GnR and who bought the Chinese Democracy album who aren't anywhere near as big a fan as us lot on here. If the new line up tours, and we all think about going to see them, what do you think my friends are going to say when I tell them that 2 of the 3 lead guitarists from the album and the main drummer are no longer in the band, even though the album only got released 4 months ago? They are going to laugh at me and probably not want tickets.

There was a comment somewhere above that stated that Guns is now a corporation. I am sorry to say that I am starting to agree with that.

I guess I will get called a troll now......

Look at this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBgY5LBfDxw&feature=related

 :drool:

as far as promotion is concerned , this guy is good. Hope he rubs off on GNR in that respect!

When it gets fourteen years for an album to be released, it's not surprising. I wouldn't like to be part of such a band. Now that some new material was released, maybe things will settle down for a while.

Maybe things will settle down?   ::)

4 months after the album is released we have a new guitarist!

Well...Robin Finck left just prior to the release so what did you expect ? No new guitarist ? Robin back ?

Now, that was fucking good shit!!!!! 

DJ is playing a LOT of Slash style licks in this clip, NOT A BAD THING, A GREAT THING.  Its obvious Slash was a big influence on DJ and this Beautiful Creatures band fucking rocks.  I hope DJ didn't make a Deal with the devil....  Thanks for posting this video, this seemed like a pretty good band!

I like this news. I think DJ Ashba will fit better into GNR than Robin did. Robin's contribution of creating "Better" was good! Other than that though, he didn't fit well with GNR style of music. Hopefully, this means that Axl  is back creating hard rock and power ballads that has a hook to them.  The industrial influenced and Broadway type songs need to go.      

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fhPIqLIryQ

Dude, if GNR goes back to this style of rock I am going to be so pumped!!  This shit blows away SixxAM, this is more like Appetite and looks like Axl got a Slash Style player (which is almost kind of dirty) so bring back the rock!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQnHAIn12P8

Shit, how did I not get into this band??????? Fuck me.

Watch this video and you can see exactly where Beautiful Creatures got some of their inspiration....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gu3gDhESRY

me too. i love them news! i have a feeling i'm gonna love him more than robin.

 welcome to the fold, DJ.  :beer:

great news. sounds like a tour is very likely. wouldn't be surprised if an announcement comes before the end of the month.

i'm a big fan of this guy! this is awesome. great addition to the band.  

all the crue/SOLA haters are eating crow.  :hihi:

Makes me wonder if Axl picked him to help write Appetite style tracks......  Cause its very obvious Appetite is one of DJ favorite albums when I hear the Beautiful Creatures songs.

Congrats Guns N Roses!

This seems to be the right guy for the job : ok:

See you in Vegas : ok:

Ahahah! What does it mean ....?  :hihi:

 :hihi:

i listened to some of the things that got posted here and i loved them, plus he's a tattooed man.  :love: just have to hear him play GNR songs.  :P what i heard so far gives me high hopes. i know some guys will state it's not hard to be better than finck though..


can't wait till they announce tour dates. gosh, i'm so excited. i haven't been at a show in ages.

Isn't Slashes brother named "Ash" or something? ???

i know his son is named cash

Welcome, DJ!!

Yeah, Slashs brother is Ash, and son is Cash

 ::)

The lengths some will go to try to change the topic...




/jarmo

Great news for the upcoming tour... :)

I saw him play with Sixx AM during Cruefest last summer and he was awesome!  We met him after the show and he was super-cool too.

I'm not sure I've seen a more positive reaction from fans about any other new guitarist to date.

I understand that some are upset/sad that Robin isn't part of GN'R anymore.

He left. What's GN'R supposed to do? Wait?

It's not exactly fair to DJ (or GN'R) to hold a grudge against him just because he replaced your favorite member or whatever.





/jarmo

good post
i total agree  finck decided to leave and dj looks like he is a good replacement
can't wait to see this new lineup in action

I remember seeing Ashba playing with Sixx AM at Cruefest last summer. Unfortunately, Sixx AM was the biggest disappointment of the whole show, but I don't think Ashba will cause any problems for GN'R.

This guy seems like a good addition to the band, based on the clips of his work on youtube. He's got huge shoes to fill though, just as Finck had huge shoes to fill when replacing Slash. This guy has to pull of not only Slash's but ALSO Finck's solos (the original ones on Chinese Democracy album) perfectly, or Finck fans will hate him just as much as I hate Finck....

Also watching him on youtube and he seems like a cool & talented guy  : ok: and kinda hot too  :drool:

Actually, as stated above, I think most people here are pretty happy about it.  No-one as outright said they hated him yet, and most think he's pretty cool (myself included).  

some nice pics (overview) of DJ:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmdht7xcI4c&feature=related

To all the ones moaning about Robin or how DJ will finally play more Slash like or Apetite like ... fuck off ... read Axl's interviews again ... as it was not fair comparing Robin to Slash now it is even more ridiculous to compare DJ to Robin ... just wait and see what DJ brings to GN'R ... or go to see NIN or Velvet or whatever (really) ...




-velimir

Ok so after watching 4 video's of DJ performing, I will say this guy can play !!  Im really excited to see what he brings to Guns N' Roses, even though Im a huge time Robin fan, Im GnR 4 Life.  Good choice Axl.

Axl knows who to pick for the job.

i really see gnr more as an open band than a band with a solid line up
i think thats cool.. but is something we have to accept
some collaborate.. some people tour.. some do promo.. some make guest apparences.. the band is not closed to anyone

the example is brain he is workin in studio and his home for gnr.. maybe he tours


welcome on board DJ...

I really wish DJ all the luck, I've scoured YouTube already to see how well this guy plays and what his style is, and I can honestly say my curiosity is already peaked. I can't wait to see how this guy interacts with Richard, Ron and Tommy on stage. As far as Robin going, I'll miss him of course, but I missed Buckethead when he left also. You see being a fan in NIN for 15 years has shown me one thing, if Trent Reznor can have a rotating lineup of people to perform live and in the studio, so can Axl. I don't think that's Axl's intentions, but Robin wasn't coming back and he needed to do something. I'm used to it because let's face it, Axl's had a roster of people come and go since EVEN 2001 when he DID start touring again. Each change has brought something a bit different to the shows and don't you know each time the quality of the performances have improved. Maybe someday we'll have a lineup of GNR that doesn't change every couple years, but if we don't and it only changes for the better, than so be it right? 

Hard to say if he is replacing Fink or if Ron is moving into Finks spot and DJ is moving into Rons spot. Regardless I am not surprised and  they have a 3rd guitarist it means touring in that much closer to reality.  In the last interview Axl made it pretty clear that eh wanted 3 guitarists live.  

As for Robin he seems happy with NIN I saw him preform in Dec 08 and put on a great show.  That was his decision to leave and GnR could not sit thumb up their ass waiting for him to come back

What is funny Jarmo is that Younggunner, D, and Myself had said Robin has been gone forever (by using common sense) but everyone kept saying, "not official", "after NIN", "he will be back"..... He was NEVER coming back.  He doesn't want to come back.  Something happened and I am sure it will come out one day, just like something happened with Bucket. 

This could be pretty damn fun!

Welcome DJ ashba!  :beer:

Welcome DJ!

: ok:

that guy sells women panties and own branded VISA card ... coooool ................  like him more and more with every visit to his website : ok:

 :hihi:






-velimir

seriously could you shut the fuck up about slash for once?  he left the band 14 years ago lets drop him and accept that the GnR sound has evolved.

What are you talking about?   Slash single handedly invented the pentatonic scale!  Without Slash there would be no rock music. 

You'd think dj could shut up all those slashers, but....no one can... :hihi:

All this chit-chat about DJ's songwriting is totally premature!

GNR have 2 more album's worth of material sitting around which has to be released first. How long is that gonna take to do? 4 years? And then another album after that? 2 more years, maybe?!

So by the time he gets to write and release a GNR hit we're talking 6 years from now, realitically?!?

Going by the recent track record for guitar players, does anyone reckon he'll still be around by then. C'mon.

John.

agreeed, the album has only been out a few months and its time for a tour.   DJ seems to be more than capable of replacing Robin and I think everyone should give him a chance to shine on stage before making judgements or worrying about what he is going to write.   

Even if another album were to come out, Axl said thats already been recorded.

Well.... its all just a bit ho-hum for me, really. So what?

I remember when Buckethead joined, I made an effort to check out his work, and the same with Finck. I'm sorry though - I'm just not gonna bother doing the same thing for some random guy who could be gone in a month. It makes it hard to form a bond with these run-of-the mill, here today gone tomorrow journeymen. Its easier for me these days just to see GNR as a Nine Inch Nails kind of arrangement - Axl is the only one that matters - everyone else is dispensable.

On the positive side though:-

1) At least we get a tour ;

2) I found the official statement interesting : 'Robin continues to be part of GN'R, by virtue of Guns' history and his involvement in Chinese Democracy.' I think this is important in that it acknowledges Robin's work (playing AND songwriting) towards all the unreleased songs, and doesn't mean his stuff will all automatically be re-recorded.

John.

welcome on board Dj............the summer cant come quick enough :headbanger:

His GNR mini site is better than the actually site its self.

It's not like many in the band aren't established musicians or entertainers already.

DJ has an worldwide fangroup. : ok:

i'm fuckin psyched that a tour is on its way! can't wait to hear the details!!!

this was Axl from a few weeks ago...

Who's in the band?

I think we'll go with a combo of who's around and who's on the album for now and worry about that when we get ready to tour.

and this is from today's release...

Guns N' Roses is proud to announce that guitarist  n' songwriter Dj Ashba has joined the band for an upcoming tour.

 :beer:

in short, they're ready to tour.

It's hilarious that everyone is talking about GN'R like it's a sports team that just pulled off a trade for that wing player that will fill some void for them.  "This is awesome!  He will bring much needed toughness and scoring!", "This will be an interesting piece of the puzzle, it's about time we started surrounding the franchise with some solid role players!"...

I don't give a shit, really.  Bring in Tommy Thayer wearing a Top Hat or a Bucket at this point.  :rofl:

good news!

he's a great guitar player!

I love DJ, he's great in Sixx AM. At last they picked someone I actually know before they join GnR.

Bullshit, Axl even said Robin was interested in touring when the time come if he was done with his current commitments.

I find this news exciting, and gets me even more excited at the prospects of a tour getting started up and to be able to enjoy my favorite band once again in the live forum! Welcome aboard DJ!

Cant find the part with the upcoming tour... ???

page one the first post.

But its not on GNR.com anymore...

I'm excited that we may have a tour very soon.

That's all I have to say.  The only NICE thing to say actually.

I'll leave it at that.

Possibly because people focused on that one word too much. Meaning "oh it must mean he's only there for the tour".....



/jarmo

Does this mean all the material Axl didn't use for the Chinese Democracy CD is going to have to be re-recorded with this guy's guitar work?

If so, next new GN'R album coming in 2015.

I guess you are right...

I am going to have to agree with Voodoochild and makane. Personally, from what I've seen and heard of him to this point, he doesn't really hit me in any way.

Anyway, good luck for him in GNR.

this made things a whole lot more intersting

Jarmo, what we need now is a shadow figure of DJ on the menu also.

I preffer Darren Jay instead DJ

Maybe after his makeover which he so desperately needs...

Ashba just posted on mygnr, said he'd be back in an hour or so, he had low bat on his iphone... he should post here as well...

Haha, he called mygnr a nice community.

^lol
holy shit, i can't go to bed now damn it :hihi:

So we know one thing about the new guitarist.... he's a liar!

This guy seems pretty cool. And he sure have skils...

But what really amazes is that he has been a member for 2 days and on his mini Guns N Roses website we have the answear we've been asking for so long: "who is in the band?".

: : Vicente : :

yeah i told him in his thread over at that other place

Already planning to talk to the fans. Pretty cool if him to do that.

What a refreshing addition to GNR

A guy who is an awesome player, awesome songwriter and is fan friendly.

Or maybe he's into golden showers so maybe we should start pissing on him and the band over here like they continually do over there.  That seems to be what gets their attention.

Seriously.  WTF is up with that?  ::)

gypsy soul you need help  :o

but we already had that in ron  :crying:

Do they know for sure that its him?

He posts and interacts with fans on his own webiste, so it's quite possible.

Welcome, dude!! With DJ on board, guess we'll have a nice tour soon! 

A little off topic to confirm how awesome the tour will be: according to moderator everton.gunner from gunnersbrasil he asked Brain if he is going to tour and got this answer on his e-mail:

"I'm playing the new songs and Frank the old ones"


Thank you Everton.

This news made me happy. Can't wait to get out there and see the band!

i have two questions for him.

1 - What does Nikki think?
and 2 - What does this do to the second Sixx: A.M. album

Cool Stuff.....looks like me and the new guitar player went to high school about 20 miles away from each other, and are the same age.....small world

Would love to know this as well.

HEHE thats not the real udeover there posting ....:P:P

That was a shame.

Welcome DJ! :)

I apologize to DJ for the golden shower comment.

I just find it very frustrating that a site that continually allows over-the-top bashing of the band and the other GNR sites to be the one that seems to get the most attention from the GNR camp.

is he going to post here?  I hope so, i don't have an account at mygnr nor do I want one.

Thats too bad. We have a nice spot in Former Gunners for your buddy Finck.

DJ kicks ass. An extremely talented songwriter who in one day has bulit a better GNR mini- site on his official site than GNR has ever had on theirs.

What she said.

exactly. its a cesspool of hatred over there.   we are a much more respectful crowd.

where is the thread saying he is going to answer a few questions?

agree!....sometimes I cant believe what I see there.

I go over to the dark side sometimes and I don't know why one would waste their time and energy on a band if they actually don't have anything good to say about them......

I like how some of u are trying to backpedal now u think the dude is going to post here.

I do agree on the MyGNR Thing.

Jarmo has made this place bash free and u would think we'd get rewarded for the positivity.

guess not

dive into the lions pit .

This guy is a great guitarist. The first Beatiful Creatures cd is a great album, one of the best hard rock albums of the last years. He also can play several instruments n' is a songwriter. I wish him the best.

I wonder why Axl decided to choose a guy with a classic californian hard rock style (much more like Slash than Robin's style) instead a guy like John 5, for example.

Pretty sure it wasn't actually DJ Ashba, but some wiseguy pretending, instead.  I say this because now, the thread is nowhere to be found over there anymore. 

I have been cramming the album down people's throats non-stop since it came out. It's flat out amazing. Everyone that I've played it for has absolutely loved it. It's a shame it didn't take off more.

welcome to the band

Welcome to the jungle DJ (yeah yeah, I know it's an easy one  ;))

HAHA!  This is just getting funny!  I think GNR are gonna end up in the guiness book of records for having the most band members ever! :)

Sorry if this has been posted....

Small fun facts about Dj Ashba (at least for Norwegians/Scandinavians) :    ;)

 
He co-wrote and plays on Marion Raven's (ex M2M, norwegian "sugar-pop" ) album Set Me Free. Marion is signed to Nixxi Sixx's label Eleven Seven.
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:0vftxzu5ldje

DJ Ashba features in Marion Raven's "Falling Away" video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2hlzAsQtxY


The photo of DJ Ashba on gunsnroses.com, is taken by Norwegian photographer Bj?rn Opsahl. Check out is website, for other cool shots DJ Ashba, Sixx A.M., Dimmu Borgir, Kat Von D among others...
http://www.bjornopsahl.com/

Yep your right, it was not him ! One of the Admins at mygnr confirmed this.

I'm curious exactly what role DJ Ashba had with Motley Crue for Saints of Los Angeles.  Doesn't Nikki Sixx write most of Motley Crue's songs, and doesn't Mick Mars play all of the guitar parts?  That album was pretty good, in my opinion, but I'm just not sure how DJ Ashba fit in.

I liked Robin a lot, but I guess I had a gut feeling this was coming sooner or later.  I hope the DJ Ashba era makes the band even better than before.

I like this guy!! Very good and beautiful.. ;) WELCOME DJ !!  : ok:
and he's on myspace: www.myspace.com/djashba

He's got quite a few writing credits on the album.  10 out of 13 songs, all except MF of the Year, This Ain't A Love Song, and The Animal In Me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saints_of_Los_Angeles

This dude was born in Monticello, IN, which is about a 30 min drive from Lafayette, IN.  He didn't live there long, but I just think it's a little interesting. 

With Axl, Izzy, Tobias, and now Ashba, our little corn fed area of Indiana has put a pretty large stamp on Gn'R.  I wonder if that had anything to do with the decision?  Very, very doubtful, but Axl seems to still have a spot for these parts?

I Must say I'm pretty excited how DJ has already shown his association with GNR on his website, this is a good sign, its cool when members of your band are proud of the fact they are in the band and want to be proactive and support and promote it.

Even though everyone knows this is axls thing and in the end what he wants goes but Its no secret that certain past/present? members seemed to downplay there association/involvement with the band other than when they were on stage, like as if it were "just another job" than an allegiance or a team effort. Most noticeably in the past with Bucket and Finck  Brain. I must say I prefer Franks on stage and off stage enthusiasm over that of brain as well, not to mention he plays the hell out of the songs. If you dont want to be in the band for the right reasons then dont be there its just that simple, as is what we have seen with finck, if his heart isn't in it then I thank him for leaving.

I really like the DJ's  enthusiasm and no doubt that enthusiasm will transcend to the stage and we will get one hell of kick ass live show from GNR in 09 and beyond.

If Axl made Ron use a Les Paul, maybe he does the same with Ashba...

I don't think he needs to play perfectly. In fact, I'd rather have him playing in his own style than just copying the others.

Good grief, he certainly doesn't look much like a rocker, does he?  What ever happened to long hair and leather jackets? :hihi:

Meh, not so keen on his playing, which is of course more important, but we'll see how he does in the band before we judge him on his daft hairdo.

I'm just concerned with the solo from TIL. If he can pull that off close to the original, I'll be all set.

also Shannon Hoon

ditto. GNR's always evolving rather than preserving itself.

heard of his name for quite sometimes thought he was a fashionable dj till recently. :hihi:

Do you have a link to this Voodoo?

also Mike Staggs (who plays the additional guitar on TSI? track "Ain't It Fun")

I don't think that would be much of a problem

It's myfavorite solo on CD and to play it with the same feeling would be difficult I would think.

I'm sure he'll be able to pull it off just fine, it's not a difficult solo.  This guy can play guitar really well, and he looks (to me) a lot tighter than Robin, I wouldn't worry about his abilities too much.  

supposition i guess.

To say If some songs made Ron use a certain type of guitar, maybe they will do the same to dj....do i need a source?

The songs making him use one, and Axl making him use one are 2 very different things

Wow, the minisite of Guns N Roses in the Ashba web it's really really good. I like it a lot, design, music...

yea but I think he really meant 'IF'...his point being Ron wasn't a huge les paul user before joining the band either.

Well then 'IF' thats the case, gotcha  :hihi:  : ok:

Who? Never heard of the guy..

Well at least theres gonna be a tour!

wow... can't believe this. this guy's tone sucks ass. i hate his guitar playing...

his sound is def. not GNR.

His tone is actually very GNR.

you haven't even heard what his tone will sound like in GnR.   Give him a fucking break and wait and see how it sounds.   And considering he's now the band's lead guitarist, I'd say his tone IS GnR.

case in point, Robin sounds completely different in NIN than he does in GnR.

I have to agree.  I think his tone, from what I've heard, sounds great.  I find it very easy on the ears.

Ali

Axl didn't make Ron use a Les Paul. He's had that guitar since 1989!

Just like Axl didn't "force" him to use the fretless either, or the foot guitar, or the V, or the strat-lookin' Vigier, or any other....



/jarmo

I think Voodoo is maybe referencing when Bumble said he had to borrow a friend's Les Paul for his parts on CD.

did DJ ever come back to mygnr last night?

It was FAKE

I'm very very optimistic about GNR future now. Ashba could be the best move they've done in a LOOONG time.

ron's gotza to get sum tattoos now 2 fit in

and tommy?


Guess it's my fault in interpreting.  ;D

I don't think Voodoo meant Axl forced Ron to play a Les Paul. Back in 2006 during the kevin and bean interview, Axl said he had gotten Ron to use a Les Paul for some songs.

Maybe he's talking about when Ron spoke about Axl busting his balls about the foot guitar

He said he'd be out soloing and Axl would be talking in his ear monitor saying things like "What is that?  It's not a guitar, it's a fucking toy!  Use a Les Paul!"

o I missed the story. then actually axl made him use a les paul.

the guy mainly uses Music Man guitars and line6 amps.... yeah that's the GNR sound we've all come to know and love.

Exactly. I didn't say anything about Axl forcing Ron or anything.

I know very well about Ron's setup and I know he used the Flying V borrowed from Robin in 2007. I was just whishing that Ashba could use a Les Paul-ish guitar for a heavier and fatter sound.

People might want to check out that SIXX AM CD. I haven't heard it in a while but thought it was good.

the problem with Ashba's tone from his beautiful creatures days t'ill sixx am is that regardless of the genre of music he is playing, being more classical hard rock or on a new rock sound it all sounds very digital, his tone is thin and not one would expect from the typical valve amp - les paul playing both slash and robin had. however people that actually play guitar and are used to play with a lot of equipment are more sensible to these matters than the casual cd listening fan... so this might be a problem to some fans, and not all.

his guitar is a musicman guitar, which resembles in nothing the tone of a les paul, so that might have something to do with it. it's pretty versatile guitar but it lacks the bass sound of les paul. and has far as looks go, gn'r is very much associated with a les paul and maintained that ever since. Even if Ron brings other guitars and Richard sometimes uses a tele or hollowbody guitars. the thing is when you think of gn'r you think of a les paul and the way it sounds and looks onstage.

i'm sure he can pull off a classical gn'r tone, there's not much science to it, in fact it's pretty simple, and the guy is endorsed by gibson as well, so i'm sure he can find a proper les paul in a heartbeat.

Another thing in his sound that sounds nothing like gn'r is his Wah tone, i don't know what he is using but it sounds so high pitched, even more than kirk hammet's, so i hope he changes that.

however he may want to continue with his current setup and maintain the same sound, for me personally, it doesn't really cut it, but then again i'm one fan in millions and i don't have a say in the matter.

let's wait to see what he brings to the table, we're just scared, regardless of liking the guy or not, one can't deny he is a very accomplished musician and i'm sure he is more than sensible to this matter, being a guitar player himself and a producer as well.

I can't tell you how glad I am that the whole "is Robin in or out?" nonsense can now end.  Welcome to GnR, DJ - can't wait to see you onstage.  On with the show...   :beer:

So they will tour with three guitarists who have a combined zero writing credits on a GNR song?  :-\

At this point does it even matter anymore?  Buckethead was brought in to replace Robin, Fortus was brought into replace Tobias, Bumblefoot was brought in to replace Buckethead, DJ is now being brought in to replace Robin.  That means two guitarists have now been brought in to replace Robin.  Not sure how Axl would see this, but I'm not sure I'd be open to Robin coming back anymore. 

One has to wonder if Robin hadn't chosen to come back in 1999 would there now be two lead guitarists.  It seems to me that the two/three lead guitarist came about only because Robin decided to come back to the fold even though Axl had Buckethead at the time. 

In the end, the concept of what is "Guns N' Roses" is something that hasn't been concrete since Adler left in 1990.  This band has always been in flux; I wouldn't expect any difference now.  Other than the lead singer, the keyboardists, and the bass player, this isn't the same band that we knew nearly ten years ago.

Cheers,

Andrew

You know what, you bring up a very good point.  Since the moment Adler was fired, the band has been in flux.  First Sorum was brought in.  Then Izzy quit and Gilby was brought in.  Then Gilby was let go and Zakk Wylde was tried out and Paul Tobias was brought in.  And so and so forth.  Although the turnover has been more rapid since Axl become the sole member of the band, this kind of turnover dates back to when Adler was fired.

Ali

Onward and forward.  For there to be music changes must be made.  Good luck to Ashba and GNR.

Old Guns was a band.
Now Guns N' Roses is Axl Rose pretty simple not saying its good or a bad thing its just a fact and the members will change many times he want or they want to leave,period.
And i will support him cuz i love GN'R.
Different from everybody here i dont care who is in or out ,if GN'R is doing gig's and active im happy.
And now with the collapsed of the big wall (CD release) more records can be release faster without all the BS that handle CD forever to come out.
So im more  happy than ever and every new member is welcome for me and those who leave i appreciate their efforts to GN'R.

I, for one, am psyched to have this dude in the band.  I've gone and listened to pretty much everything he's been involved with and it all sounds great.  Maybe I don't have a finely tuned musician's ear, but contrary to what a short few have been claiming, everything has sounded exactly the sweet rock n' roll player one could ask for.  I think anything beyond that is considered "nit-picking."

As far as I'm concerned, this is looking more and more like one big, gigundo-sized m'f'ing rock n' roll party extravaganza, once it hits the road!  Ultimately, we all know what the songs are going to sound like live.  If you're really going to go to a show and take notes on individual player's variations from record-to-live, etc., then you're probably missing a little on the point of the live concert... just have a good time, right? 

I've enjoyed every GN'R record I've ever heard; enjoyed every live show I've attended- and no different than anything else in GN'R's history, I trust I'm going to like DJ Ashba, whatever his contributions may entail.

So, RN'MFR!!!!  :beer:

thats a very good way to look at it.   some people take it too seriously i guess.

as much as I love Robin, he seems happy doing NIN, so I'm very exctied to have DJ Ashba in the band now and am really looking forward to the shows.

NO WAY! The robin superfan approves then i must approve. jk

if hiring DJ Ashba means that they're going to hit the road, then i'm all for it....hopefully they include Africa on their list of stopovers this time round...

Hey this is my first post here my question is and I dont know if it has been brought up but they say hes been on there radar for some time now how long has that time been and is this someone they wanted before but couldnt get due to prior commitments?

Welcome aboard!! I myself haven't/hadn't heard any mention of DJ at all, I think they are pretty quiet about things until all is in place.  I could however have missed something along the way, as far as I was concerned, all of us round here have placed our speculations on Robin's possible return until now.  It might be a good question to ask Axl, unless someone knows something I'm not aware of. :P

Damn it!!! There goes my audition!!!!!  :crying:

Well that is some good news. I hope the guy can rip!!!!

I think back in 2003 i saw his pic at a gnr fan site the thread title was something like 'post your eye candy' :hihi:

Exactly.

If Robin wants to do something else, he's free to do so without having a bunch of people telling GN'R they need Robin back.




/jarmo

and true fans of robin and true fans of GnR would be understanding.   Its not like Robin fans don't have a way to see Robin this summer and now it looks like GnR fans will get to see GnR too..

I think that people who say that are not making any distinction between what they want and what GN'R needs.  They see the two as one and the same.

If GN'R can endure the loss of Buckethead, then it can endure the loss of Robin, as unfortunate as it is.

Ali

I don't think many people are blaming Guns N' Roses for moving foward.

I don't know how and why Robin made his decision, but I do know that I didn't like it and I'm not happy with him. And well, you can't really compare his work on GNR and NIN...

Anyways, I don't want to discuss anymore on this matter, I just wanted to shred some light on this.

that's it. freedom isn't against gnr.

dj is the newest.

Ron and Ashba are leads and Richard plays some too, I guess.

Just to clarify, I understand how some fans are upset and/or sad about the fact that he left.

That's not the issue.

It's more about respecting his wishes and understanding that the band should be free to move forward.

So the way I see it, saying things like "GN'R needs Robin" isn't fair to him or the band.

He seems excited about going on tour with NIN and that's all that matters.





/jarmo

GNR ADDS DJ: DJ Ashba, the talented L.A.-based guitarist who was a member of Nikki Sixx?s Sixx A.M. and rap-rockers Beautiful Creatures, has joined Axl Rose?s Guns N? Roses, replacing Robin Finck, who returned to Nine Inch Nails last year. "DJ's a gifted, energetic guitarist that Guns N' Roses is proud to have on board!!... Once DJ's name was in the hat, the hat disappeared!!" Rose said in a posting on his website. The group is expected to announce a tour for later this year. Sounds to us like the handiwork of Katie McNeil, who worked with DJ while at Motley Crue's management company Tenth Street Entertainment before moving over to Front Line to handle Neil Diamond and, yep, Guns N' Roses.(3/24a)

Hits Daily Double

I guarantee you in a few months when we start hearing DJ play much like every other guitar player we have had i.e. Buckethead, Finck  or whoever nobody at first knew what to expect and after a while we all start praising these guys for all the work they did and im sure whatever DJ adds to this band whether its live or in studio or both his accomplishments will be admired by all GNR fans i cant  remember yet a situation in which anyone has said anyone who ever played in GNR sucked

+100

The whole Les Paul thing I'm reading cracks me up.  Here's an example of how I see that going down...

Axl:  "Dj, a Les Paul would sound great on a lot of songs we play"
Dj: "Thanks Axl, I think I'll play a Les Paul on songs that it would fit best"

now, does anyone of you really thinks Axl cares which kind of guitar his band plays ...  :confused: ... really?

the thing with BBF for was more of a joke ...




Slash sucked (and still does)  :hihi:







-velimir

Without question, yes.  You can't bring a Fender Strat or an Ibanez onstage and get the feel and tone of a Gn'R song across, it would sound foreign. 

My point is guitarists that are as talented as these guys can pretty much pick up anything.  Ashba could drop the Music Man for a Les Paul/Gibson and not miss a beat. Gn'R has never been a "whammy bar band", so all the tremelo style guitars are out the window.  The pick-ups in Gibson guitars are pretty distinct, so the Flying Vs and SGs can sound pretty close to Les Pauls if you tweek them.


In the context of recent discussions, that's pretty damn hilarious!

Im sorry, but I cant help but laugh at doomsday GNR fans who are somehow convinced GNR can't go on without Robin Finck. are u kidding me? u replaced Izzy,Slash,Duff,Steven,Matt,Buckethead....  I think they will be ok. Just a hunch.

That's true. It was hard to understand but that's the thing...

D,your missing the point. Of course GNR will go on. It will go on as long as Axl wants it to go on. Regardless of who leaves they can always find replacements.

The point though is when is enough, enough? How many times can you change the "comeback/new" lineup and expect it to be effective? If Axl wants to continue with the GNR name then people expect him to back such a bold move up. The stop and go's, and the constant lineup changes is doing nothing but ruining the gnr name and more importantly the greatness that is CD.

He doesnt want a reuion? Ok, fine. But lets fukin go already. Release some albums and go out there and tour with a band that can justify keeping the name. Enough of this stop and go, ever revolving, excuse laden comeback.

Ill even lower the standards and say you dont have to have aband that equals old gnr. That ship came and went with the 02 lineup. All anyone around here is asking for is some dam consistency.


Go out there and be everywhere. Be guns n fukin roses again. Axl captured that attitude and spirit on CD now show it to people who havnt seen the lught yet... If people dont wanna buy into it...fine...but atleast go down with a fukin fight. Get in peoples faces. Roll up the sleeves and take care of business.

GNR are NIN, Smashing Pumpkins and whoever else now

Guns N Roses is Axl and whoever he decides to have in the band.

I've accepted it.

Ashba over Finck is like the Yankees getting to start CC Sabathia instead of Phillip Hughes

agreed.


CC is overated.  ;D

The album was just released at the end of 2008. Next up, the tour.  : ok:




Stop posting your personal opinion as fact.  :P

It's a "funny coincidence" that only Buckethead fans keep going on and on about 2002.  :hihi:


And also going on about how Robin was the only "star" of the band besides Axl.

I'm pretty sure that if Richard had taken all the solo spots Robin played, you'd be saying the same about him!

Or Ron for that matter.

Just because one guy gets a bunch of solo posts, he's suddenly the only "star" in the band.....



/jarmo

D and younggunner, it took me a long time to realize  that this version of GNR is not what it used to be since I was/and still am a classic GNR fan. It's now Axl Rose and the revolving line of musicians aside from Tommy and Dizzy. I like it though since you hear different styles of music. My hope now is that Ashba will help bring back that balls to the wall attitude that made GNR.  

That is not how the rock world sees it  : ok:


Has nothing to do with who plays the solos for the old material.

Heres whats funny...or maybe the truth...

People love/loved Slash and Izzy why? Because they wrote material.

Who wrote material for CD? Bucket...Robin

not Fortus/ Bumble

A monkey can play guitar with this band and some of you people would have no problem accepting that. The monkey is Axl certified and your good to go. For others, it doesnt work like that.

Bumble is here by default. Not because Axl wanted him initially.

Exactly who are you trying to insult??  ::)

CC is good but hes not MR Johan 8)

Dude, I can't say it enough

Robin wrote 1 song out of what 14?

So how is he a main Writer?

PLUS

one thing I really agree with Jarmo on


IF those guys choose to not be in the band? what the heck can Axl do? Just quit? retire?

I don't understand how people can accept a band as GNR without the original members and then all of a sudden not except them cause a couple of the new guys decide they don't want to be in the band anymore.

makes no sense, cause the first hurdle for me, is much tougher to get over than a couple of new guys leaving.

Let me guess, you're part of that "rock world"?

It's a fact, they released the album last year and haven't yet started touring behind it.










You made a poll about why people loved those guys?

Are you saying GN'R fans also loved Bob Dylan and Paul McCartney because they wrote two of the songs GN'R performed live?

People loved them because they were in GN'R. Period.

They were on stage, they were in magazines, in videos, in photos etc.

Not everybody goes through song writing credits and then decides whether or not the guy is worthy of their love/worship.


Fact is, you loved Buckethead before you had even seen the song writing credits for the album! What was that love based on? For years and years you professed your love for a guy without knowing exactly how much material he had written.

Robin wrote one song. So are you saying the love is relative to the song writing credits?


Does this apply for other bands as well? In Depeche Mode, most of the songs are written by Martin Gore, the keyboard/guitar player. But people still seem to love the lead singer.... Oh, maybe they're not part of the "rock world" so the same rules don't apply.

And poor Ringo! Not much love for him either.





/jarmo

So you dont give him credit for his solos on CD? Im sure they are a product of his own work and creativity.

If we go by that argument that Slash doesnt get credit for Estranged, etc.

Agreed. And that is why I dont blame Axl completely for that. My argument is that he missed the boat years ago. Is it a coincidence that Slash, Bucket, and Robin all left? Or is Axl completely innoscent? So yes and no...


You can only go to the well so many times. If you want to carry on the gnr name without its original members, its a ballsy move. But you only get one shot. The reason I disagree with you is because I think its harder for people to accept the 2nd,3rs etc changes of the new lineup than the initial change.

It becomes a mess if things are constantly changing. Which it obibviously has.

It's only difficult for people who are fans of a member who left.

Many people in the "rock world" couldn't tell you anything about Buckethead.

So for them it doesn't really matter if he's in GN'R or not when they go see them live.




/jarmo

I like the new guys, but honestly, If I go see GNR, I am there to see Axl. That is no disrespect to the new guys but I am there to see one man.

Just like when I went to see Velvet Revolver, I wasn't there to see Dave.

Nope. Just common sense.

So your telling me the music industry/rock fans, etc think GNR/Axl as it is today...or over the past decade is credible?

The fact is that it took Axl 9+ yrs to release the album. This isnt a band with a fresh start just releasing and album. There already is a negative history tagged with the band.

They built something! People loved Gilby?? Your not making sense. I am obviously right because the public does not think this is GNR.

If it was just about the name and not the players in the band then you would be right. But the real world doesnt work like that.

How come people do not have the same love for GNR today as they did in the past? You keep telling me that people loved them because they were in GNR..."period"....so where is that love now? Afterall thal, bucket, robin, brain, etc,etc are all in/were GNR. Wheres the loveeeeeeeee????

Fact is I checked out Buckets solo stuff when he was in GNR. Its easy to spot talent like that. And my intuition was right  : ok:

As for Robin..again...he has one writing credit but that doesnt mean he didnt write his solos etc...


Which is why the rock world doesnt take this band seriously. There is no consistency. How can they know about Bucket if hes not there. Same with Robin.

They chose to leave. But I have to believe that Axls inability to get things started years ago has played a big role in how things eventually turned out.

I thing that now GNR is more stable, than in 2002, I want to see this band.
I saw Guns in 2006 in Madrid, very very good concert, and for me, Richard and Ron are as important as Robin, I prefer Richard playing than Robin, I thing that he fits better in Guns.
I like Robin too much, but out of Guns N Roses, I prefer Dj Ashba style than Robin.

P.D. Sorry for my english, I speak only a little

Jarmo you should read people's comments at rolling stone and every other online magazine or forum that isn't fan based.

People see Gn'r as Axl's Solo project and give it as much credit as Adler's appetite.

For some fans it's hard to back up Axl because we thought originally he had band and concept to live up to the old band, when in fact people keep on quitting the band and some random guy keeps getting into the fold. it's hard to stand up for a band when each member could be gone by tomorrow and by the looks of it, we are not supposed to care because the show must go on.

Many of us believed in a formation with Buckethead and Robin that wrote and shaped the album, they are both gone.

If you think of writing credits, sure maybe 1 song is not enough, but robin's parts are all over cd and his playing influenced the music we hear in all of the record. Besides he was in the band for ten years justifying on some level that this is not just Axl's project, but a band with members that are in the band for a lot more time that slash and izzy were...

however the sad fact is people keep on quitting and someday it could be Tommy, Chris or dizzy who cares, we all should believe Gn'r is about the music and not the people, but truth of the matter is this band was built on the charisma of the musicians.


but the way things are going the only patern i can think is whoever is in gn'r and can get a good paying job in music other than gn'r, he'll quit, i.e. Robin, Buckethead, even Duff doesn't want the job.

if the replacements reunite i don't see tommy sticking around either.

it's hard to think of a band where every member but the lead singer can be replaced and still think of it as a band, regardless of how they want to portrait it.

When Gn'r has more lineup changes than whitesnake it starts to freak me out.

AMEN

Yeah, and putting Buckethead and Robin in the band isn't gonna change the fact that the album came out in 2008.

It's a very fresh start. New album, new tour. Let's rock!

You can't get a fresher start than that!





Yes, people loved Gilby. He was in GN'R, he got fans because of his time in GN'R.

I'm sure he'd be the first one to admit that.

How did you become a Buckethead fan?




Obviously.  ::)

You might also think before you post. That same public also doesn't think that Buckethead being in the band would make it "more GN'R".  :hihi:



Since you're so in touch with the real world, tell us why Britney Spears has some many fans? People only love the song writers right? Not the ones who stand in the spotlight and perform.....






But you weren't a fan of the GN'R material before you could read the song writing credits?



How did you become a fan of his? Did you see him on stage performing songs he didn't write and you thought he put on a great show? Oh wait, no... That's not possible. He must write material in order to get fans.... Sorry.

Did you check out his solo material before you could read the song writing credit inside the Chinese Democracy booklet?




Why? Because I should take note of those who hate GN'R?

That kind of sites are filled with hate for every band/artist!



The whole idea that somebody needs to write songs to get fans is just plain stupid in my opinion. The music charts are proof enough.




Not really. A band can change members.

The definition of the word doesn't specify it meaning the same bunch of people: a group of musicians organized for ensemble playing.



Robin and Buckethead were part of creating Chinese Democracy. So was Paul. And Josh.

But they left. We still have the music to listen to.

The album is the result of a bunch of people working together. Some aren't gonna be on tour supporting the release. Some for obvious reasons (such as Caram being a producer. ;) ).




I don't understand that since the two of you are upset that the band had to replace members leaving, why are you still here?

Haven't you had enough?

Are you just here to point out how much better things were in 2002?

We just got the album and some of you are already talking about how they have to put out a new one!

The ironic thing is that even if you're so unhappy, we both know you'll be at the next GN'R show....




/jarmo

Anyone that gives the current version of GN'R, whether you see it as Axl's solo project or not, as much credit as Adler's Appetite is without a doubt a fucking idiot.

Adler's Appetite is not about writing original material.  They are not even comparable.

Ali

a....isn't billy corgan (lead singer) now the only member of smashing pumpkins....?

Hahaha. Good point.

Maybe they can go tell Adler who should be in his band, when to release albums etc....  :hihi:



Seems like the Buckethead fans decided to turn this into a Dead Horse topic (again).  ::)



WELCOME TO GN'R DJ!  Good luck Robin. : ok:





/jarmo

because he earned my respect with his playing.


Your missing the point. For all we know the 02 lineup could have failed as well. But we dont know because they never tried!. Im not asking people to like Bucket/robin/thal/etc because they are in GNR.

Im asking Axl to go out there and present his vision of GNR to the public for a few yrs. And then its up to the public to decide.



Because I assumed that he and Robin were writing with the band. I am one of those people who do not think Axl is the greatest guitar players ever. Hence the people in his band were more than capable of making some great stuff. Werent we all under that impression? Throw in the fact they could play great live and Bucket has amazing solo albums...it was safe to assume he was going to be an integral part of the albuma nd band  ;)


How come people do not have the same love for GNR today as they did in the past? You keep telling me that people loved them because they were in GNR..."period"....so where is that love now? Afterall thal, bucket, robin, brain, etc,etc are all in/were GNR. How come this band cant sell out stadiums, have top of the chart albums, expensive videos, etc like the old band? Afterall it is Guns N Roses. Wheres the loveeeeeeeee?


This has nothing to do with Buckethead.

well in rock music people tend to write their own music, unlike in Pop music, so for us it does matter.

To read or hear what other people besides hardcore fans think of the band gives you an idea of how the band is perceived outside the htgth world, and that should be taken into consideration because this board alone couldn't fill stadiums for the next tour.

Paul never did like to play live, he is however a great songwriter and if he's happy doing so he should do that, i can't say anyone will miss seeing him live because in all honesty he wasn't that great.

Josh is an unfortunate case because he is one of the best drummers around and the reason no one made a fuss when he left was because they never got to see him live with gn'r, because  if they had it would've been another story.

People quit on gn'r more than other musicians quit on any other successful band and we can't deny things in the gn'r camp are strange.

I know for a fact people that have turned down gn'r offers just because they didn't imagine themselves being in a band to sit around and wait and every other thing that comes with it.

at the end of the day i'm still gonna love Gn'r and i'm glad i got to know Robin and Buckethead because they were very influential to me, but i can't think of them as a real band like i did back in 2002 or even 2006... at this point it's just like... whatever, the music is good and hopefully they won't hire keri kelly next for guitar, but who knows what could happen with the world's most dangerous cover band.

at least they're covering good tunes, i'll give 'em that, chinese democracy is still one of my favorite records

yeah, last i heard they were doing great!

is smashing pumpkins in 2009 something guns should be comparing themselves to?


P.S. Ali, Adler's appetite do have originals, they recorded an Ep with Jizzy on vocals and they are now recording a full length record to be produced by slash and they are thinking about changing the name of the band to Adler's GNR

well with Zeitgeist they did have a hit rock single with Tarantula - with a video, played Letterman / Late Shows,  & were involved on the Transformers soundtrack (a major film score) ... yeah you're right thats really not that impressive

.... and why couldn't that happen to Gilby? Or Ron, Richard or DJ?






I think the first step is the album....



So it was based on assumptions!

What if somebody became a fan of say Richard in 2002, 2006 or even 2007. They liked his playing on stage and thought "what a guy, he sure can play guitar!".

Then they looked at the booklet in November 2008 and there's no writing credit with his name. Should they stop being fans of him?

Would that be the correct thing to do in the "rock world"?





Considering how much hate comes for you, why are you even asking?  ;)


I'll tell you my own observation about this. It's not scientific nor am I part of that "rock world" which you seem to know, so I apologize if this seems a bit amateurish.


When a band releases an album, and they tour, it creates exposure. Add to that a video, maybe some interviews.

People see you in magazine, on TV, on stage and they fall in love with the guys who are in the band.

It doesn't have to mean that they wrote the music. If they're in the band at the time. That's all it takes.


So far from my experience as a GN'R fan, this theory has worked since day one.

Some even start loving a member based on looks! I know, it sounds crazy but it's true! These people don't read song writing credits, yet their rooms are filled with posters of these guys. Isn't that weird?



If you go by those opinions, everything sucks....

I've known since day one that not everybody likes GN'R.

It's like being back in school..... Nothing has changed.




But it's not the same band anymore!!!!!!!

All the song writers left!

Maybe you should go take that up on an AA forum..... ;)





/jarmo

well, as far as hit single goes, if you consider this great
U.S. Billboard Pop 100   50
U.S. Billboard Hot 100   54
Australian ARIA Rock Singles Chart]   7
U.K. Singles Chart[7]   59
Latvian Airplay Top[8]   13
Danish Single Chart[9]   14
Irish Singles Chart[10]   44

yeah, low expectations, so i thought so, even though they did do better on the rock chart. doing late shows every band does it, and some aren't even that good, i should know, because i watch a lot of tv and being on a soundtrack is a lot easier if you have a big name band and a big label, and guns did that too.

but if you put it that way, gn'r could've done better yes, because even this encarnation of the pumpkins were able to do all that average stuff.

the usual whiners should just shut up already and either be respectful of DJ's new place in GnR or find another topic.  No?


Back on topic, isn't it odd how different things are now since Bumblefoot came into the band.  Remember, the shows were already booked and most of us fans had no idea who was taking Buckethead's place.    That was May 12, 2006, what an exciting night that was to be a GnR fan :)   Ron was introduced to fans on stage that night for the first time.
 
At least Axl and co is communicating with the fans more these days :)

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=56162.0

 ;D


/jarmo

Never said it wouldnt.

The difference between us is that you expect everyone to accept whatever version of Gnr is out there because its "GNR". Whereas I think that the players in the band have to earn that. Some will, some wont.


You havnt answered the question...

You insist that people loved old GNR because they were in "GNR". How come people are not automatically accepting any of Axls lineups from 2000-present? Afterall, each of the players are in GNR. Why cant GNR just pick up where the old band left off in terms of public appeal etc?


Im here because of Axl Rose. When he leaves, I leave.



Never said I wouldnt be at the next GNR show.

Axl Rose
Slash
Duff McKagan
Izzy Stradlin
Steven Adler
Matt Sorum
Dizzy Reed
Gilby Clarke
Paul Tobias
Josh Freese
Chris Pittman
Robin Finck
Buckethead
Brain
Tommy Stinson
Richard Fortus
Bumblefoot
Frank Ferrer
DJ Ashba

That's 19 names... for fuck's sake you people are already getting into arguments about whether the New-New Guns N' Roses is really the New Guns N' Roses without Robin Finck and Buckethead!

Yes, people will come out to see Axl Rose in concert... but you can't tell me this many lineup changes doesn't have any effect on you whatsoever?  Or do you somehow only consider it ONE replacement since the album was a fresh start.  If they changed 8 members overnight and then released a new CD, would that also be OK as a fresh start?

When you're destroying Kiss & the Chili Peppers (and approaching Spinal Tap) in terms of replacements and BEING destroyed by those bands in terms of number of albums and tours... I don't know... it just takes a lot of the love and "giving a fuck" out of it for some fans.

Anyways, welcome DJ.  Fans, soak in his performance as much as you can... don't take your eyes off him during his solos... it may be his last tour with GN'R!

i really wish you people would stop complaining about lineup changes.

I really wish they would stop happening.   :hihi:

I guess we should both know better, huh?

dude i'm not saying they're a top 10 type of band (4 what they are & what they've become it's not that bad atall), i'm just saying they've done it, and have gotten a lot less grief about it from the media / average joe rock fan perspective.
obviously most of this stuff i mentioned above is average run of the mill schtick 4 a rock band...
 but its not the point; point is - if they can do it, guns can do it bigger & better (when they want/able to)
whatever i don't want this shit clouding up a welcoming 4 DJ Ashba! just cast judgment when ya see & hear him live.

FYI, Jimmy Chamberlin is in the current lineup of the Smashing Pumpkins as far as I know...

Edit - Sorry, I just read this: In March 2009, Corgan announced that Chamberlin had left the band, but that he would continue to record and perform without him under the band name.

what can you do?

you can either go see them this summer when they tour or you can go on message boards and complain about it.

I'm one of robin's biggest fans..  and I'm always going to be.  I ran a fansite for him for 2 years.    I'm happy that he's happy doing what he's doing, and while I will miss him in GnR sometimes, I think DJ is more than capable of replacing him and I am optimistic he will do Robin's parts justice and bring something new and exciting to the band.  

We all have our favorites in bands, and thats cool.   Slash fans have AFD and UYI and that is never going to change.   Robin fans have some excellent stuff on CD and that is never going to be changed.   Better is an awesome GnR song.

I just think this thread was meant to welcome DJ into the band and its kinda disrespectful to cry about lineup changes here.. theres a 200+ page robin leaving/touring thread  + an entire section of the board for these exact gripes.


not anymore..

but every member of iron maiden except the bassist has been replaced.

If you didn't contradict yourself, it would be easier to have discussions with you:




Within two hours of saying people loved former members because they wrote material, you're now agreeing with me that people could love members who don't write material... People who just respect their playing like you did with Buckethead.




Fair enough. You want them to "earn" your respect. But some you won't even give a fair chance!

Personally, I'm a GN'R fan so I support GN'R.

They earned my respect with the music they've put out. If somebody leaves, I'm confident that they'll keep putting out music I'll enjoy. That formula hasn't failed yet....




Because the band hasn't gotten the same kind of exposure that the old band got between 1988 and 1993!

For example, they didn't put out the album in 2002, or 2006!


Let me ask you this then, since I answered your question. If Buckethead is such star material, how come he's not the big world wide star you make him out to be?

Or maybe he would only be a star if he was in a big band, a band that would get him exposure. A band that had a lead singer who's known all over the world as one of the few really great rock front men around today.





You got a weird way of supporting his band.





I know. That's the ironic thing. You've had enough and it's not GN'R etc etc, but you'll be there. You and your biased opinion.





If you wanna be technical about it, Robin left to go on tour with NIN before the album was out. ;)


Why doesn't it bother me? Maybe because I've sen it before? Gilby didn't play on the Use Your Illusion albums, yet he toured with the band on the tour supporting those albums.

If it didn't bother me in 1991, why should it be different in 2009?

Once you realize that the band isn't a static thing, you either cry about it or look ahead.




/jarmo

Who havnt I given a fair chance? Who have i knocked? Im not the biggest Bumble fan but that doesnt mean I dont think hes good or capable.

My point is that not every guy that puts on the GNR uniform will automatically capture my attention or passion or whatever.

as do I, and everyone else here.

So your saying that if the band gets big time exposure they will be as popular as the old band?


Bingo. I agree with you. Bucket needs GNR just as much as GNR needs him in terms of populairty. Obviously for whatever reason it didnt work out.

All I know is that Axl has bent over backwards to please Buckethead. That tells me something. Throw in the fact that the guy is all over CD. His ability and image along with the rest of the band was the recipe that would have had the best chance to overcome the old band with the general public.


Its not weird its just honesty.  I dont hate Axl or the band like you portray. There are just certain things that I think Axl messed up on along the way. Doesnt mean I hate him or want to see him or them fail. Never have you once heard me say that or imply that. Not once.